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Re:Peter Daszak has a new grant from the NIH to study bat co... by ciguy on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:16AM (#33080719)
How is this guy not in jail yet? Much less out there receiving more grants?
Re:Peter Daszak has a new grant from the NIH to study bat co... by tru3_power on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @12:58PM (#33083215)
What’s the backstory here? Why would he be in jail? Also the link in the original post has almost zero detail on what this grant is for.
Re:Peter Daszak has a new grant from the NIH to study bat co... by uup on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @02:51PM (#33084959)
A lot of backstory on this guy and his organization: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/the-virus-hunting-no...

TLDR is that this guy was acting as a fundraiser for research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology where they were specifically making novel coronaviruses, e.g. by creating chimeric viruses of SARS and MERS, and then using those viruses for gain of function research, e.g. by infecting humanized lung tissue in mice.

Re:Peter Daszak has a new grant from the NIH to study bat co... by _-david-_ on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @02:06PM (#33084319)
He is possibly responsible for the creation of covid.

He is the president of EcoHealth Alliance who was helping fund research into corona viruses and gain of function in Wuhan. He also was involved with the WHO investigation on the lab leak hypothesis despite his conflict of interest and basically denied it could have come from the lab.

Re:Peter Daszak has a new grant from the NIH to study bat co... by uup on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @02:55PM (#33085006)
And also refused to share his research progress reports when asked to by a Covid origin committee he was a member of.
Re:Peter Daszak has a new grant from the NIH to study bat co... by tubalcain on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @02:20PM (#33084529)
We have investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing.
Re:Peter Daszak has a new grant from the NIH to study bat co... by LatteLazy on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @02:55PM (#33085011)
There is a crazy conspiracy theory that he created COVID 19. It's nonsense but people lap it up and pretend they're part of some secret club who alone know the truth.
Re:Peter Daszak has a new grant from the NIH to study bat co... by AbrahamParangi on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @06:22PM (#33087919)
A meta comment but I think it's worth recognizing that while most conspiracy theories are untrue, the world is actually full of conspiracies.
Re:Peter Daszak has a new grant from the NIH to study bat co... by hunterb123 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @03:10PM (#33085233)
Dismissing things as a "crazy conspiracy theory" adds nothing.

All indicators point to a lab leak. The project was called DEFUSE, proposed in 2018, it was led by Daszak's EcoHealth Alliance and funded by the NIH.

https://drasticresearch.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/main-doc...

These things are known now, after being long denied by those involved.

Re:Peter Daszak has a new grant from the NIH to study bat co... by LatteLazy on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @03:37PM (#33085591)
There is no evidence, none at all, of a lab leak. Even you admit that when you limit yourself to "indicator".

And it is a conspiracy theory. You need the CCP, Trump, Biden, Facci, dozens of labs staff, and any decent virologist or geneticist to all work together to hide it.

Come on, get real, stop pretending.

Re:Peter Daszak has a new grant from the NIH to study bat co... by throwawaymaths on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @05:15PM (#33087020)
You need dozens of lab staff in China and maybe a few admin staff + daszak here in the states to hide it.

Even setting aside that china is a place where scientists who speak out are regularly harassed consider this:. Suppose you set out to save millions of lives and instead wound up saving negative millions of lives. Can you say with certainty that you would have the fortitude to admit your complicity in the mistake?

Re:Peter Daszak has a new grant from the NIH to study bat co... by peyton on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @03:47PM (#33085733)
The guy just had his grant terminated for not turning over records. What’s your explanation for this counter-intuitive behavior?
Re:Peter Daszak has a new grant from the NIH to study bat co... by LatteLazy on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @03:59PM (#33085890)
When was he terminated? One of his grants was suspended when he failed to get the US federal government access to china, something that was a bit above his pay grade, but that was in 2020!?

But please, tell me how that conclusively proves a lab leak?

Come on. You can believe it, that's up to you. But don't pretend there is any evidence.

Re:Peter Daszak has a new grant from the NIH to study bat co... by nullc on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @05:35PM (#33087326)
Because the people most directly involved are dead (e.g. staff from the wuhan lab) and records have either been lost or concealed it'll probably never be possible to prove a 'lab leak' one way or another.

If you look at the defuse project proposal, however, you'll see a proposal that a reasonable person would conclude had a high risk of creating SARS-CoV2.

They proposed to take a bad corona virus and attempt to grow versions that infected humans by growing it in humanized mice. If that failed, they proposed to genetically modify it to insert a furin cleavage site. After getting their humanized virus they intended to expose immune boosted wild bats to it to inoculate them to this 'predicted' virus.

The biggest discrepancy is that SARS-CoV2's closest known ancestor isn't the virus they were proposing to study: instead, the nearest ancestor is the virus the lab was working on immediately prior to the defuse proposal. And CoV2's most conspicious difference from the wild type ancestor is the furin cleavage whos sequence is very distant from the virus and would not likely be produced easily through mutation yet happens to be identical to a sequence in the literature prior to the research.

Even if we had absolutely concrete proof that SARS-CoV2's origin was completely natural since the research proposals obviously could have created it there ought to be serious inquiry and policy review-- because if it wasn't man made it seems like it would only be by good luck. We have been playing with fire.

Re:Peter Daszak has a new grant from the NIH to study bat co... by nullc on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @04:07AM (#33092648)
s/bad/bat/ (only correcting because it took me a moment to figure out myself what the heck I was writing. :) )