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Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by mensetmanusman on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:34AM (#33078940)
https://9to5mac.com/2018/08/22/how-to-choose-a-usb-c-cable/a...

It would be funny if this ruling strengthened Apple’s position because no one knows which off-brand cable will destroy their device by not limiting current draw.

Without strong regulations on the usb cables themselves, it almost seems like putting the cart before the horse.

Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by izacus on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:38AM (#33078971)
What in the world are you talking about?

Cables aren't the ones limiting current draw, they're cables. And the millions upon millions of USB-C devices in the world right now have no such issues with USB-C charging so where are you pulling these silly ideas from?

You think the rockstar engineers of Apple aren't capable of designing a charging circuit with reliability of a 80$ Chinese manufactured Android phone?

Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by altairprime on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:27AM (#33080028)
> Cables aren't the ones limiting current draw

Incorrect. All USB-PD cables, whether their connectors are USB-A, -B, and/or USB-C, are responsible for honestly declaring their charging power limit to the charger and to the device, and in the USB-PD specifications are specifically responsible for limiting current draw to the rated capacity of the cable. Per USB PD spec:

> Sources Shall detect the type of Attached cable and limit the Capabilities they offer based on the current carrying capability of the cable determined by the Cable capabilities determined using the Discover Identity Command (see Section 6.4.4.2) sent using SOP’ Communication (see Section 2.4) to the Cable Plug.

> The Cable VDO returned as part of the Discover Identity Command details the maximum current and voltage values that Shall be negotiated for a given cable as part of an Explicit Contract.

Cheap, lying, uncertified USB cables that declare their ability to support higher charging rates — for example, 100W which is 5A at 20V in USB — have been known to short out and destroy chargers and devices in the process of doing so.

This was discussed in a couple hundred comments across multiple posts when a Google engineer had to pressure Amazon through product reviews to enforce USB-IF certification on all USB-C cables several years ago:

2015: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10508494

2016: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11387212

Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by izacus on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:54AM (#33080408)
The cables are declaring their capability, but they're not LIMITING anything. That's on the charger and chargee side.

>Cheap, lying, uncertified USB cables that declare their ability to support higher charging rates — for example, 100W which is 5A at 20V in USB — have been known to short out and destroy chargers and devices in the process of doing so.

Yes, HN loves to discuss and gripe about it over and over again (quoting the same kind of unconfirmed posts that are out of date by years)... it just fails to prove that this is still any kind of widespread issue worse than any other cable connector issue.

Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by altairprime on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:07AM (#33080585)
Narrow roads aren’t limiting driver speed, and yet they’re used specifically by traffic planners to limit driver speed — with full knowledge that some drivers will disregard all limits.

Compliant USB-PD devices honor those cable limits. Non-compliant devices do not, but ignoring them does not negate their definition as limits.

Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by staticman2 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:13AM (#33080675)
Apple already supports usb c and dropped lightning on IPADs but you are pretending for some reason that Apple's position is USB C is unsafe?
Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by mensetmanusman on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @03:18PM (#33085342)
No, I’m saying they are mandating apple add a port where the environment of cables that can be plugged in to said port is a minefield of confusion :)