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Re:Fake Men on Hinge by SQueeeeeL on Monday October 03, 2022 @11:45AM (#33069133)
Modern dating apps are pretty much all terrible, they basically completely commodify the experience of love and turn relationships into a purely aesthetics based thing. It's pretty terrible because I think most people don't actively have any way to meet single people their age, so people pretend apps are somehow a band aid for a deeply atomized society. Unless you're in a foreign country or a tourist, the advice I've heard repeated over and over is trying to meet others through organic social connections (ultimate frisbee, D&D, work, class) so that there exist some social fabric to base a relationship upon.

(Pretty good, slightly cringey, video on how apps use the language of capitalism https://youtube.com/watch?v=-bcKRd_lfAg )

Re:Fake Men on Hinge by throwaway515 on Monday October 03, 2022 @12:07PM (#33069443)
> I think most people don't actively have any way to meet single people their age, so people pretend apps are somehow a band aid for a deeply atomized society

Looking back, I wasted my most dateable years doing exactly this. I thought if I just stayed on the apps a little longer, put up with the dopamine-drip machine bullshit just a little more, I'd meet someone.

I wasn't even relying entirely on them – I attended a church, volunteered at a soup kitchen, and other things where you're supposed to be able to meet people, but I wonder if maybe I would have emphasized them more (seeking out more volunteer opportunities, etc) without the gambler's promise of the dating apps panning out "any day now."

Re:Fake Men on Hinge by the_only_law on Monday October 03, 2022 @12:03PM (#33069373)
> It's pretty terrible because I think most people don't actively have any way to meet single people their age

This is probably my biggest problem. I can go out, and women will even approach me and flirt, at least until they realize they have some years on me…

Re:Fake Men on Hinge by disgruntledphd2 on Monday October 03, 2022 @12:10PM (#33069479)
This is a self-resolving problem, as long as you don't age badly.
Re:Fake Men on Hinge by dkarl on Monday October 03, 2022 @12:28PM (#33069754)
> they basically completely commodify the experience of love and turn relationships into a purely aesthetics based thing

I think this is the right thing to do. Apps work great for a quick check of "does this person look cute and interesting."

They suck for everything else. I think it's great that apps like Tinder have given up on the pretense of helping people present their true deep selves, find compatible people, and figure out if there's a connection before they even meet. I know it seems more enlightened to deemphasize looks and concentrate on inner qualities, your personality and values and dreams, but over decades of painful experience we've learned that that stuff just doesn't convey accurately online. People invest huge amounts of energy creating profiles, answering quizzes, and trying to understand other people through their profiles and through online conversations, and the result are always disappointing.

By now I think we understand that failure well enough that when a company promises to do it well, we should call it a scam. It might work for a few people, but they're very rare and very lucky. Apps should be honest and stick to what they're really good at, which is helping people who mutually pass the superficial visual check find each other, on a scale they could never accomplish IRL, and facilitating them getting face to face so they can find out if they actually like each other.

Tinder does a perfect job of this. Just a few pics and a tiny profile. Put vital info in the profile (kids? open to what kind of relationship?) and some polarizing context in the pics (signals of political and cultural preferences, whatever feels important to you.) If someone wants to chat for more than a week without meeting you in person, unmatch them, because they're probably a bot or somebody just doing it to kill time. (Unless they say hey, let's put this on ice for a bit, I just met someone and if it doesn't work out I'd like to meet you next. That's valid.)

Paying to increase the attention you get is a scam, too, of course, and I won't defend any app doing it. It basically turns the app into a strip club where the women work for free and it's even easier for the men to delude themselves into thinking they'll get something out of it. Really if you aren't getting hits then all you can do is work on your profile or cast or wider net, or take a break for a month while you wait for new people to become active.

Re:Fake Men on Hinge by bel_marinaio on Monday October 03, 2022 @12:58PM (#33070287)
>If you aren't getting hits then all you can do is work on your profile

Working on yourself > working on your profile. Hit the gym, lose a few pounds, maybe find a better barber, etc

Re:Fake Men on Hinge by dkarl on Monday October 03, 2022 @01:22PM (#33070685)
I don't know, I've seen a lot of bad profiles, and I've helped people fix their (really bad) profiles. It's not a super hard problem, but I don't think people recognize it as something that they need to think about. It seems that by default people are extremely asymmetrical in how they perceive profiles, picking up a ton of nuance in other people's profiles that they are blind to in their own. They have to spend some time reflecting on how they infer information from other people's profiles, and reading what people online say about dating profiles, in order to understand how other people see theirs so they can turn it into a better reflection of themselves.
Re:Fake Men on Hinge by RichardCNormos on Monday October 03, 2022 @12:03PM (#33069367)
> most people don't actively have any way to meet single people their age

This is absolutely true. The best we've got right now is bars & clubs, and in those environments, there's no preselection for the type of person you'd want a meaningful relationship with.

Case in point: I met my wife at church. Going in the door, it was predetermined that we would share a common set of values.

Re:Fake Men on Hinge by nradov on Monday October 03, 2022 @03:40PM (#33072609)
You're giving terrible advice. If I had relied only on organic social connections I would have never met my wife. We didn't share any of the same activities, worked in different industries, and attended different schools.

There's no need to restrict yourself to one approach. People can do both.

Re:Fake Men on Hinge by SQueeeeeL on Monday October 03, 2022 @04:22PM (#33073146)
I don't know if my advice is terrible, probably more below average or situational. I do personally believe dating apps are causing a ton of psychological harm to the current generation, but I don't discount the successes.

But the immortal words of Mary Schmidt should always stay with us in terms of dating "Your choices are half chance. So are everybody else's."