This is really cool, the hardware for this is far in advance of what I was using. I was using the classic webcam type setup, with the 1/4 inch accuracy you elluded to in your post.

My thesis focused more on the UI components than the hardware. I had my gaze setup to appear as a cursor input, and used some CSS to hide the cursor on a webpage. Then I used hover effects to open menus, focus inputs etc.

My question was, could it replace the mouse on a desktop? And I wanted to build something for anyone to use, not as an accessibility input. I used eye gaze with the spacebar on the keyboard as a primary input action.

The components had large targets, so the accuracy didn't matter too much. I used some basic components to build an email UI, which worked purely through gaze and the keyboard.

The UI was perfectly functional, but it really drained me/others to use it. Possible it could be due to accuracy, or some of the UI component design. My gut feeling was that the UI reacting to my eyes was the real problem though, there was a strange feeling knowing that you needed to look at certain components to use them. The way your eye works, it wants to jump around to whatever is interesting, and having a UI that needs the eye to look at a certain place isn't pleasant.

I think any UI that wants to utilize the eye would have to be very subtle, and designed not to feel restrictive to your focus. I'm not convinced that the mouse/your fingers could be replaced by eye tracking but for rendering higher res in VR goggles and that sort of thing makes a lot of sense.

Really cool solution with the hot mirror! I always wondered if we will end up with cameras behind microdisplays. Some phones are already doing this, but doing that for VR is probably years away.

The point you made about rethinking all UI interactions for eye-tracking — bull’s eye! Have you done some work along these lines in Eyefluence? I think the fruit company will gladly introduce new UI paradigm. They did some impressive stuff of improving eye-tracking accuraccy via refining synthetic images to real-looking ones with GANs. [0]

[0] https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/gan

Yes, rethinking UI for eye tracking is what Eyefluence was working on. And in fact we showed Apple all of our stuff before the acquisition. I believe we were in acquisition talks with them as well as Google. I spent a lot of time on the Apple campus tweaking our neural nets to their liking. This was prior to their publishing of that eye tracking work.

Is there any public record of what Eyefluence had done? Some demos maybe? I would really like to see that.

There is actually an older demo still on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYcrQswVcnA&t=10s (full presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCZLll1l92g)

The technique called "dual gaze" in the article has some similarity to some of the stuff we were doing. This was long before that paper was published, and I think there were several aspects of our design that were better than the one in that paper.

Holy shit, that looks like magic! The slide to confirm interaction utilizing smooth pursuit was really nice touch. I added the extended demo to the article.

You say the dual gaze worked similarly to your implementation, however I don't see any confirmation flags. I really can't figure out how this works. :) Is the tutorial available somewhere please?

Thanks! I should say I didn't have much to do with that specific demo; I mostly worked on reimplementing everything from the ground up for VR. I don't think there's any good video of that system, but there are some accounts in the press from journalists trying it. (Any journalist that tried it was using my VR system. We didn't let journalists try the AR version because the calibration wasn't reliable enough on new people, but the deep learning based tracking of the VR version was more reliable).

As far as exactly how it works, I probably shouldn't go around disclosing all the secret sauce. After all, Google bought it fair and square. AFAIK there's nobody left in Google VR that knows much about it, but I haven't worked there for many years so I don't know the current state of things.

Ok, I read 20+ articles describing the VR demo you worked on. Some of them explicitly state that they can’t disclose how the interaction works. One of them mentioned that extra saccade is used to “click”, but it isn’t very revealing. Some demos, e.g. 360 virtual displays, has an explicit gaze target to trigger the action, but the AR demo lacks them, so my take is that the 2min tutorial teaches person that there is an invisible, but standardized target (say upper-right corner) that is the trigger. No idea about scrolling. But damn, everybody that tried the demo was super-convinced that this is the way to go and that in 2017 there will be headsets with such tech. Here we are, 6 years later, and I am still waiting.

Google should start open sourcing their canned and dead projects.

Thank you for pointing me towards this research and for your work. :) Very cool!

Yeah I wish Google would do something with it too. The good news is headsets with good eye tracking are finally about to become generally available and I expect that within a few years people will be using it in very creative ways. Wide availability will trigger more experimentation than we could ever do as a single startup.