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Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by ptidhomme on Thursday September 29, 2022 @03:29AM (#33017518)
> "This is why we don't bomb Ukranian cities or cut the Ukranian gas pipeline (which is the only source of reliable income for Ukraine for all 30 years of its existence)."

This simple fact, and what it tells about what Ukraine means to Russia, never gets to western ears for some reason.

Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by seba_dos1 on Thursday September 29, 2022 @03:48AM (#33017636)
It's also demonstrably false, which may be part of the reason.
Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by DonHopkins on Thursday September 29, 2022 @03:45AM (#33017623)
Then please explain how it is that the indisputable fact that Putin IS bombing Ukrainian cities never got to your ears?

Is your indefensible conspiracy theory that these are all deep faked videos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvi7QFJYv_k

>Ukrainian cities bombed: Russian strikes spread from east to west

>Russian strikes hit the capital, Kyiv, and Kharkiv and Kramatorsk in the east, causing deaths, Ukrainian officials say. Missiles destroy an aircraft repair plant near the airport in the western Ukrainian city of Lviv, Mayor Andriy Sadovy says.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e42F1V3AOq4

>Russia accused of using cluster bombs as fighting rages in Ukraine’s cities - BBC News

>Heavy fighting has taken place in several cities across Ukraine.

>Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second city, has seen some of the fiercest battles with Russian forces accused of using cluster munitions. Many civilians are reported to have been killed.

>Thousands more people have been trying to flee the country, adding to a growing refugee crisis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uuoo3wm69U

>Russia continues to shell newly-liberated city after Ukraine's counter-offensive – BBC News

>Ukraine's counter-offensive in the northern Kharkiv region has put the Kremlin on the back foot, Western analysts and politicians have said.

>This is said to explain President Vladimir Putin's mobilisation announcement, which could see 300,000 Russian’s summoned to serve in the war.

>The Ukrainian military is now trying to consolidate those recent gains.

>However, the city of Kupiansk, which was recently taken back from the Russians, is still coming under attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTgiVwRLx-g

>Russia intensifies bombardment of Ukrainian cities

>Russian forces are setting their sights on the capital city of Kyiv, advancing to the doorstep of the city. Satellite images show Russian artillery bombarding Kyiv as fierce fighting continues in many other parts of the country. Cities in eastern and southern Ukraine are under a sustained Russian onslaught.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-isnt-naive-zele...

>Russia bombs Ukraine cities, despite pledge to pull back from Kyiv

>MALA ROHAN/NEAR IRPIN, Ukraine, March 30 (Reuters) - Russian forces bombarded the outskirts of Kyiv and a besieged city in northern Ukraine on Wednesday after promising to reduce attacks there in what the West dismissed as a ploy by Moscow to stem its heavy losses and regroup for other offensives.

https://www.ft.com/content/e51014c3-0b97-4a3d-8a19-bc49b3ccd...

Russia steps up bombardment of Ukraine’s biggest cities

>Vladimir Putin’s forces adopt more aggressive tactics in bid to regain momentum on sixth day of invasion

>Russia stepped up its bombardment of Ukraine’s biggest cities, firing missiles on targets in populated areas as Vladimir Putin’s forces turned to more brutal military tactics in a bid to regain momentum on the sixth day of the invasion.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/11/russia-widens-...

>Russia widens attack with airstrikes on western Ukraine cities

>Airfields far from the main areas of war hit, while convoy near Kyiv seems to have dispersed into firing positions

Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by ptidhomme on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:18AM (#33017799)
I'm not sure you understand the difference between targeted bombing of infrastructure (that have civilian casualties I'm not denying) highly amplified by western conspiracy theories vs. actual deliberate bombing of cities (and civilians) in scale.

Be aware there's full blown propaganda on both sides.

Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by DonHopkins on Thursday September 29, 2022 @05:22AM (#33018167)
So what is your definition of when bombing a city is not bombing a city?

Both sides, huh? Is The Ukraine denying bombing Russian cities and causing many innocent civilian casualties, while at the same time actually bombing Russian cities and causing many innocent civilian casualties, just like Russia actually is?

It's not a conspiracy theory that Putin is openly threatening the first use of nuclear weapons, and both sides certainly aren't doing that.

So does your invalid whataboutism justify the fact that YOU yourself are knowingly spreading Russian propaganda?

Whining about how both sides are doing it would be a lot more justified if you weren't doing it yourself.

Edit: I never said I wasn't a propagandist, but you definitely are, since you're the one who's lying about Putin not bombing cities.

Notice how in your reply you STILL did not explain when bombing a city is not bombing a city, you just tried to divert and deflect and spread whataboutism.

We're discussing the bombings that really did happen, that you're denying happened, and the fact that you're lying about it.

So how do you justify deliberately bombing a shopping center?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv_shopping_centre_bombing

Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by ptidhomme on Thursday September 29, 2022 @05:44AM (#33018295)
Well you seem to spread simple minded technical arguments with no historical nor political depth whatsoever (nevermind acknowledge what the US is doing behind the scenes), which is essentially textbook Western narrative.

War is war, deaths are deaths, but they do not come just like that. There's tension that builds up with time and what has the US done to ease that tension ?

Russia is saying plainly and repeatedly that they're not at war with Ukraine but with the US/NATO. Let's face reality.

"You're a propagandist while I'm not" is quite laughable I'm afraid.

Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by tempestn on Thursday September 29, 2022 @02:57PM (#33025449)
Your position is ludicrous. Russia invaded Ukraine. They are clearly at war with Ukraine. There is no valid historical or political justification for this.

You're absolutely right that war doesn't just happen. Putin made a conscious choice to invade a neighboring country, and one with which you'd had close ties at that, leading to all of this suffering and needless death. The only thing that isn't obvious here is whether you believe what you're saying or are intentionally spreading nonsense.

Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by ptidhomme on Friday September 30, 2022 @02:54AM (#33031803)
There is no valid historical or political justification for this

Why so ? Don't be so lazy.

Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by tempestn on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:58AM (#33018001)
Even if one were to grant that Russia is not nearly-indiscriminately shelling Ukrainian cities (which I don't), there is no justification for them to be attacking the country at all, targeted or otherwise. Whatever Putin might say, and notwithstanding ludicrous sham elections in occupied regions, Ukraine is a sovereign country with a democratically elected government, and not a part of Russia to be liberated.
Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by detaro on Thursday September 29, 2022 @05:24AM (#33018185)
Infrastructure like "shopping centres"?
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Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by ptidhomme on Friday September 30, 2022 @06:45AM (#33033235)
So you're entitled to speak for "everyone" ?

Sorry to have confronted your bigoted certainties.

Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by DonHopkins on Friday September 30, 2022 @08:58AM (#33034256)
Well you're speaking for Putin, and he's convinced absolutely nobody he didn't bomb Ukrainian cities, not even you or anticodon, who don't even believe the lies and propaganda you're spreading with your own words. But it's a living, being complicit with war crimes, huh? Too bad Putin destroyed your country's economy so terribly you can't find better work than being a trolling lying keyboard warrior. Maybe if you got into better shape you could drive a tank.
Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by ptidhomme on Friday September 30, 2022 @09:25AM (#33034537)
I'm French by the way. Incidentally the US has bombed my country well beyond what was justifiable.

So you know, I fear much more the US's mad leaders than Putin.

Good day

Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by DonHopkins on Friday September 30, 2022 @12:34PM (#33037038)
Since you claim "This is why we don't bomb Ukranian cities" is a "simple fact" that "never gets to western ears for some reason", you admit you don't believe Putin has bombed Ukranian cities.

What is your proof of your belief in that lie that's contradicted by so much evidence?

Since you're so concerned that proof Putin doesn't bomb Ukrainian cities never gets to Western ears, then speak up now and show us the facts that proved to you all those videos and eyewitness accounts we've all seen are fake, so it finally does get to Western ears.

Or do you just believe the lie that Putin doesn't bomb Ukrainian cities without any proof, just like how you believe all of your baseless Covid-19 conspiracy theories that you spread?