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Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by ptidhomme on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:18AM (#33017799)
I'm not sure you understand the difference between targeted bombing of infrastructure (that have civilian casualties I'm not denying) highly amplified by western conspiracy theories vs. actual deliberate bombing of cities (and civilians) in scale.

Be aware there's full blown propaganda on both sides.

Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by DonHopkins on Thursday September 29, 2022 @05:22AM (#33018167)
So what is your definition of when bombing a city is not bombing a city?

Both sides, huh? Is The Ukraine denying bombing Russian cities and causing many innocent civilian casualties, while at the same time actually bombing Russian cities and causing many innocent civilian casualties, just like Russia actually is?

It's not a conspiracy theory that Putin is openly threatening the first use of nuclear weapons, and both sides certainly aren't doing that.

So does your invalid whataboutism justify the fact that YOU yourself are knowingly spreading Russian propaganda?

Whining about how both sides are doing it would be a lot more justified if you weren't doing it yourself.

Edit: I never said I wasn't a propagandist, but you definitely are, since you're the one who's lying about Putin not bombing cities.

Notice how in your reply you STILL did not explain when bombing a city is not bombing a city, you just tried to divert and deflect and spread whataboutism.

We're discussing the bombings that really did happen, that you're denying happened, and the fact that you're lying about it.

So how do you justify deliberately bombing a shopping center?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv_shopping_centre_bombing

Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by ptidhomme on Thursday September 29, 2022 @05:44AM (#33018295)
Well you seem to spread simple minded technical arguments with no historical nor political depth whatsoever (nevermind acknowledge what the US is doing behind the scenes), which is essentially textbook Western narrative.

War is war, deaths are deaths, but they do not come just like that. There's tension that builds up with time and what has the US done to ease that tension ?

Russia is saying plainly and repeatedly that they're not at war with Ukraine but with the US/NATO. Let's face reality.

"You're a propagandist while I'm not" is quite laughable I'm afraid.

Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by tempestn on Thursday September 29, 2022 @02:57PM (#33025449)
Your position is ludicrous. Russia invaded Ukraine. They are clearly at war with Ukraine. There is no valid historical or political justification for this.

You're absolutely right that war doesn't just happen. Putin made a conscious choice to invade a neighboring country, and one with which you'd had close ties at that, leading to all of this suffering and needless death. The only thing that isn't obvious here is whether you believe what you're saying or are intentionally spreading nonsense.

Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by ptidhomme on Friday September 30, 2022 @02:54AM (#33031803)
There is no valid historical or political justification for this

Why so ? Don't be so lazy.

Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by tempestn on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:58AM (#33018001)
Even if one were to grant that Russia is not nearly-indiscriminately shelling Ukrainian cities (which I don't), there is no justification for them to be attacking the country at all, targeted or otherwise. Whatever Putin might say, and notwithstanding ludicrous sham elections in occupied regions, Ukraine is a sovereign country with a democratically elected government, and not a part of Russia to be liberated.
Re:What to Do If a Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent by detaro on Thursday September 29, 2022 @05:24AM (#33018185)
Infrastructure like "shopping centres"?