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Re:Ask HN: Seriously, steelman this please. 7,400 employees ... by chrisseaton on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @04:50PM (#33013080)
I think you can get subcontractors that specifically provide cleared janitors. (The same way that for example the NSA famously uses cleared contractors for things like IT.)

But anyway, Docusign surely isn't an example of such a company or agency.

Re:Ask HN: Seriously, steelman this please. 7,400 employees ... by mcculley on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @05:04PM (#33013242)
Yes, NSA’s high profile failure with Booz Allen is a great example of why some things should not be outsourced.
Re:Ask HN: Seriously, steelman this please. 7,400 employees ... by chrisseaton on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @05:29PM (#33013520)
But it’s the same clearance process and standard if you’re outsourced or not - they don’t do anything extra if you’re inside a service.
Re:Ask HN: Seriously, steelman this please. 7,400 employees ... by mcculley on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @05:38PM (#33013608)
This has not been my experience. I was FSO for my organization. I was responsible for periodic training and internal audits. I have no way to know how well any other FSO or any other organization ran their periodic training and internal audits.

Yes, the check by the government is the same.

Re:Ask HN: Seriously, steelman this please. 7,400 employees ... by ceejayoz on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @05:07PM (#33013276)
Is it? It's not like the various intelligence agencies haven't had their share of on-the-payroll moles.
Re:Ask HN: Seriously, steelman this please. 7,400 employees ... by mcculley on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @05:14PM (#33013359)
In my own experience with such organizations, we were less worried about moles than by inconsistencies in vetting, training, and process.
Re:Ask HN: Seriously, steelman this please. 7,400 employees ... by mcculley on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @05:06PM (#33013262)
Docusign is certainly managing many proprietary documents.

I agree that it is likely that they outsource like other organizations. I still don’t think it is a good idea.