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Re:Why aren't Russians protesting (more)? by seydor on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @04:48AM (#33005796)
Why aren't the westerners protesting more? Seriously, where are my peace and love protests? In many countries people don't care much anymore, they 've resigned that they can't change things, this is a high level long strategic game in which their opinion doesn't matter. We 've willy-nilly removed each other's mass media from the view, despite our hyperconnectedness. This is what you get after decades of the west emulating the dictators of the east in their authoritarianism.

We need a new peace movement, not one that is tied to progressive sensitivities.

Re:Why aren't Russians protesting (more)? by jfengel on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @10:27AM (#33008353)
I think most westerners feel that peace-and-love aren't an option here. Even most pacifists believe that a country has the right to defend itself, and nearly everybody outside the Russian sphere of influence sees this as Ukrainian self-defense.

There might be protests if Westerners were putting their lives on the line here, but they aren't. I'm told there are some protests in Germany about the very real hardship of losing Russian gas, but I think they see Russian aggression at fault and most would rather work around it.

Which is to say: most westerners see their governments doing more or less the right thing, and aren't protesting. They see it as highly unlikely that they've been so misled about the situation in Ukraine as to think that it should surrender to Russia.

Pacifists have always had to contend with rhetoric about "just wars", and this is one of the clearest examples they've seen in decades. They've certainly protested against many unjust Western wars -- usually not terribly effectively, but they did come out. And I think they would if they felt it was relevant now.

No amount of exposure to Russia's mass media is likely to change their minds about that. Such as today, with Russian media announcing a 99+% result in a "referendum". They can't even begin to imagine that this will inspire protests from Western pacifists.

Re:Why aren't Russians protesting (more)? by seydor on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @02:23PM (#33011378)
That was maybe true in the first months of the war. Western audiences have not been asked about the actions taken by heads of state and NATO for months. I dont think anyone believes that ukraine is going to retake its full territory, nor that they should. There will be growing skepticism during the winter
Re:Why aren't Russians protesting (more)? by _kbh_ on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @10:29PM (#33015674)
> I dont think anyone believes that ukraine is going to retake its full territory, nor that they should. There will be growing skepticism during the winter

Im actually more confident that Ukraine will have a decisive victory then I was a month or so ago.

Russia has entered the desperation stage of the war by mobilising 300k barely trained conscripts and throwing them straight to the front lines (some are already POWs).

This has shown me that Russias losses are significant and that they cannot sustain there professional army, which is the first sign things are going to go very south very quickly.

Re:Why aren't Russians protesting (more)? by zubairq on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @07:29AM (#33006730)
Yes, this is correct, we don't protest much in the West. When the government acts in a way that we don't agree with then we may protest a bit, as was the case before the Iraq invasion, but then after a few days/weeks we stop protesting and go back to work , so that we can put food on the table.