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Re:Downturn career decisions by Hermitian909 on Monday September 26, 2022 @02:28AM (#32980081)
I think you read the parent comment uncharitably, and they were referring to job hops, not to layoffs or un-renewed contracts.

If I'm looking at your resume I see: 2 layoffs (not your fault), 2 temporary contracts. If you message that in your resume the contracts are a yellow flag (did they not get full time employment because they lacked chops?) but nothing here is telling me you're a runner. I'd happily hire someone with this job history if they interviewed well.

I'd be much more adverse to hiring you if you had been an employee at each of these places and stayed as long as you had.

Re:Downturn career decisions by FlyingSnake on Monday September 26, 2022 @04:56AM (#32980880)
> I see: 2 layoffs (not your fault), 2 temporary contracts.

How would you figure out just by looking at a resumé that the 1 year job experience listed is a layoff?

Re:Downturn career decisions by UncleMeat on Monday September 26, 2022 @08:14AM (#32982149)
You ask. That's what I've done for folks with 4+ consecutive ~1y stints.
Re:Downturn career decisions by Hermitian909 on Monday September 26, 2022 @12:07PM (#32984870)
I've seen many resumes that say things like "company went bankrupt" or "Entire department was laid off"
Re:Downturn career decisions by vsareto on Monday September 26, 2022 @09:51AM (#32983111)
>did they not get full time employment because they lacked chops?

People can elect not to go full time because they don't feel it's the right fit or it's a bad situation.

But they don't get any credit for sticking out a bad contract apparently

Re:Downturn career decisions by Silhouette on Monday September 26, 2022 @10:38AM (#32983707)
the contracts are a yellow flag (did they not get full time employment because they lacked chops?)

I've seen this idea before but it seems like a very odd prejudice to me. Is it a particularly US-centric thing or something? Here in the UK a lot of good people in tech do independent work at some stage in their careers. Salaries for permanent employees tend to hit a ceiling. Contractors and freelancers can potentially price based on value and charge significantly more if they're worth it.

Re:Downturn career decisions by Hermitian909 on Monday September 26, 2022 @12:17PM (#32984985)
> Here in the UK a lot of good people in tech do independent work at some stage in their careers. Salaries for permanent employees tend to hit a ceiling.

I would not view being a contractor in the way you describe as a yellow flag, but that's not OP's situation. OP looks like they were relatively inexperienced, had never held a job for 2 years. Even if OP didn't mention they were trying to convert to FTE in these roles and it didn't happen, the descriptions of them tell me that's probably what's happening.

Re:Downturn career decisions by cableshaft on Monday September 26, 2022 @12:42PM (#32985277)
> OP looks like they were relatively inexperienced, had never held a job for 2 years.

The software dev job before that I had for 3 years. I just don't include it on my resume anymore, for length/ageism reasons (also it was VBA/original ASP, which I never want to touch again).

I'm not sure where you got two temporary contracts, I've only ever had one non-FTE job, and that was the 9 month one, and even then I was an employee for TEKsystems. They would have happily put me somewhere else (hell, they still reach out to me a couple times a year), but I really didn't enjoy my experience, so I didn't continue with them (I was actively interviewing for other jobs near the end of it, the contract ending was a surprise but also a relief). The benefits were the worst I ever had at any company before or since (poor medical insurance, zero PTO/paid holidays or any other benefits), and I got a 25% raise at my next company as a FTE, so it's not because I got better pay than elsewhere.

And if we go before that, I had a fast food job, a retail job, a warehouse job, a stocking job, a data entry job (all of these were at least a year, up to 2) hell, I even helped my dad with construction and apartment maintenance when I was as young as 14. But they're not software-related and basically ancient history at this point, so they haven't been on my resume for about fifteen years now.