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Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by Someone on Sunday September 25, 2022 @03:59PM (#32975404)
> "At the start of the year?"

> "nah. The end of the second month"

> "WHY WOULD IT BE THE SECOND MONTH?"

Because leap day is at the end of the year, but at some time we moved the start of the year two months back (same reason why September through December now are the ninth through twelfth month of the year, not the seventh through tenth)

(Historically, I think it was slightly different. February, the last month of the year was shorter because the year isn’t long enough to give it 30 days, then we moved the start of the year, and then we invented the Gregorian calendar, and picked February for the leap day because it already was an outlier)

Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by Svip on Sunday September 25, 2022 @04:10PM (#32975541)
It was the Romans who inserted a leap month inside February between the 23rd and 24th. Since the two consuls ruled on alternating months, adding an extra month after February would give one consul one more ruling month, making it somewhat unfair. Since leap years were handled irregularly back then, they were leap months, not leap days.

The Julian calendar introduced the leap day instead, and maintained it in February as originally, and introduced it every 4 years (except years dividable by 100).

This is also around the same time that July and August were named to their current names (named after Caesar and Augustus). Before that, they had had names equal to fifth and sixth month, respectively, like September comes from seventh.

Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by mcv on Sunday September 25, 2022 @06:55PM (#32977264)
I recently read that the reason February has only 28 or 29 days, and not 29 or 39, as you'd expect, is because Augustus wanted his month to have just as many days as Julius' month.

No idea if that's true, but sounds appropriate for the ego of an emperor.

Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by bonzini on Sunday September 25, 2022 @04:38PM (#32975936)
The Julian calendar didn't have the divisible-by-100 rule, every other fourth year was leap.
Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by InCityDreams on Sunday September 25, 2022 @05:33PM (#32976522)
>Before that, they had had names equal to fifth and sixth month, respectively, like September comes from seventh.

Now, do i google, duckduckgo, or bing, what those months were called?

Fifth collumism? Sexism?

Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by jcranmer on Sunday September 25, 2022 @05:34PM (#32976529)
Quintilis and Sextilis are their names.
Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by MayeulC on Sunday September 25, 2022 @04:41PM (#32975977)
Julius and Augustus you mean, both were Caesars (Augustus, AKA Octavian, was adopted).
Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by wartijn_ on Sunday September 25, 2022 @05:42PM (#32976608)
Are you suggesting that the men were known as Julius Caesar and Augustus Caesar? Because that's wrong[0]. Augustus used this name and it became a title for roman Emperors, in reference to Julius Caesar. If people are talking about Caesar, they mean Julius Caesar.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus#Name

Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by MayeulC on Monday September 26, 2022 @02:32AM (#32980110)
I understand that people often refer to Julius Caesar as "Caesar", but to me at least, it mainly refers to the "title" (though that remains a surname, as succession was hereditary, mostly through adoption).

History is not my field, I am probably making multiple mistakes and oversimplifying, but I don't see something in that link that disproves what I said. Today, we often refer to Augustus as Augustus Caesar or Caesar Augustus (less frequently, Emperor Augustus). I also think it's interesting to point out Julius's first name in light of the previous discussion, as that's where the month name comes from.

Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by Ash_Crow on Sunday September 25, 2022 @05:47PM (#32976669)
If we're splitting hair, Octavian was adopted into the gens Julia, so he was a Julius as much as he was a Caesar, and his full name before ascending to emperor was Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus.
Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by cperciva on Sunday September 25, 2022 @04:17PM (#32975640)
February, the last month of the year was shorter because the year isn’t long enough to give it 30 days

Originally February had 30 days, along with all the other months. (The 5 or 6 remaining days at various times were either extra days which didn't belong to a month or were omitted until there was a month's worth of them to catch up on.)

February got shorter because (being the last month of the year) it had days removed in order to add them to other months -- what was originally February 30th (the end of the year) became February 23rd (the end of the year, after which the leap day is inserted).

Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by miniwark on Sunday September 25, 2022 @06:41PM (#32977145)
The Ethiopian calendar still do this, 12 months of 30 days each and a last 5 to 6 "month".

The reddit thread is funny but it also forget than there is not only one calendar in the actual world... Long time ago, i have meet an indian who was never able to explain to me witch days he was forbidden to eat meat (he was not a strict vegetarian), or even food at all. It was probably a mix of one of the indian calendars, horoscope and religion.

Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by cperciva on Sunday September 25, 2022 @09:06PM (#32978215)
My understanding is that the Ethiopian calendar is basically the ancient Egyptian calendar aside from some names changing.
Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by JoeAltmaier on Sunday September 25, 2022 @04:41PM (#32975968)
Augustus and Julius stole a day from February so theirs' would be long ones.
Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by jcranmer on Sunday September 25, 2022 @05:26PM (#32976442)
February had 28 days before Julius Caesar came to power, so he and his successor couldn't have stolen a day from it.
Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by JoeAltmaier on Sunday September 25, 2022 @08:49PM (#32978116)
Wait. The calendar was 10 months before Julius. Not sure there was even a February?
Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by jcranmer on Sunday September 25, 2022 @09:53PM (#32978465)
No, the calendar had 12 months + 1 intercalary month before the Julian reforms. The calendar you're thinking of was the one supposedly introduced by Romulus and replaced by his successor--there's no evidence of its actual use.
Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by jcranmer on Sunday September 25, 2022 @06:16PM (#32976947)
> Because leap day is at the end of the year, but at some time we moved the start of the year two months back (same reason why September through December now are the ninth through twelfth month of the year, not the seventh through tenth)

There is actually no hard evidence that the Romans ever started their calendar in March instead of January. The earliest contemporaneous use of the calendar relies on January 1 as the start of the year, short February, and with intercalation happening after (or maybe within) February.

The primary evidence we use to indicate that the start of the year shifted is... the apparently wrong month names. Some writers did describe a calendar that starts at March and ends in December, with winter basically having no proper calendar--but these are writers describing how their calendar worked several centuries ago, attributing it to mythological figures, and the explanation strikes me as very heavily a "just so" explanation.

If you want my hypothesis, the Roman civil year never started in March. But March would have had some amount of primacy, as it indicates the start of the planting year. Shenanigans in the calendar would have occurred in February to ensure that the equinox is properly timed to happen in March. But the civil year would have started closer to the beginning of winter for other reasons (perhaps taxation? but finding this level of granularity of information on Roman taxation is difficult).

In this hypothesis, the month names were not incorrect because they were never intended to count from the beginning of the year. Note that the first 6 months of the civil year have names, while the last 6 are merely numbered. It makes no sense to me that you'd make up special names for the first 4 and the last 2 months of the year, while skipping everything in the middle.

Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by silvestrov on Sunday September 25, 2022 @05:10PM (#32976277)
He didn't mention LEAP-SECONDS which are at THE END OF THE YEAR.
Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by detaro on Sunday September 25, 2022 @05:12PM (#32976301)
or june 30th
Re:Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we ex... by Someone on Sunday September 25, 2022 @05:25PM (#32976434)
Indeed. See https://www.nist.gov/pml/time-and-frequency-division/leap-se...

And they always are end of June or December in UTC time, so locally they can happen on the first of January or first or July.