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Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by badpun on Saturday September 24, 2022 @01:39PM (#32964874)
> A professional engineer isn't just a certification. It also grants the power and indeed the duty to say "no" to things that are unsafe.

At the end of the day, you still work for them, so with enough "nos" they'll just fire you or assign you to projects which don't matter.

Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by _trampeltier on Saturday September 24, 2022 @02:48PM (#32965507)
I work as an electrician in industrie automation. To say "no" is very important. It's not easy, but I don't have to worry they ever fire me for my "no" because they know I'm right.

As an electrician for example, we have to check almost everyrthing with various tests and sign it with my name.

For me, the software world still looks and feel like wild west.

Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by JumpCrisscross on Saturday September 24, 2022 @01:48PM (#32964984)
> you still work for them, so with enough "nos" they'll just fire you or assign you to projects which don't matter

They'd have to replace you with someone else similarly certified.

Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by xyzzyz on Saturday September 24, 2022 @10:00PM (#32968299)
And surely, there will never be anyone who’ll just cynically use their professional credential to make a lot of money this way. Of course, there are plenty of people who do shady things like this today, but clearly obtaining professional certification will make angels out of humans.
Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by svnt on Saturday September 24, 2022 @11:48PM (#32968768)
If you lose your PE because you do what you suggest you lose your ability to work. Your career ends, formally.

Software certifications, afaik, are not like this, but instead are sort of like merit badges.

Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by xyzzyz on Sunday September 25, 2022 @01:45AM (#32969239)
If. Many people will take a risk, as the risk will pay off in most cases that aren't totally egregious. Most shady scenarios are not "people will certainly die if I sign off on this", they're rather "eh, this is somewhat against the rules, but it's not that important, it just increases the risk from one in 1000 years to 1 in 300 years". People who will accept the risk to their personal careers will be in high demand as "people who make projects happen", and they'll be highly renumerated for their increased risk profile.

In any case, if PE was required to work in software, I wouldn't have had a job in the first place, so I'll always oppose these kind of efforts to shut out the outsiders and underprivileged people.

Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by TheRealDunkirk on Saturday September 24, 2022 @07:35PM (#32967570)
A PE at an engineering firm is a bit like a partner at a law firm. They carry a big stick.
Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by throwaway2037 on Sunday September 25, 2022 @02:45AM (#32969437)
And get paid 1/10th the amount of money? Don't forget that.