Re:We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their...
by luminiferous on Thursday September 22, 2022 @09:02PM
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LTT has a video where they tried to see how many PCIe riser cables they could string together before it stopped working.[1] They got to several meters. Maybe you could argue that it's worse inside a PC case since there's more EMI, but it seems like your PCIe riser cable would have to be very out of spec before you'd notice anything.
Re:We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their...
by terom on Friday September 23, 2022 @01:46AM
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I wonder if that benchmark actually loaded the PCIe bus to any significant degree after the initial benchmark startup, or just updated a couple small parameters on a single scene and thus mainly just tested the local computation on the GPU?
You'd want to somehow monitor the PCIe bus error rate - with a marginal signal and lots of errors -> retries, something that loads the bus harder (loading new textures etc) could suffer way more.
They do briefly show a different PCIe riser made out of generic ribbon cable [1, 3:27], and say that one failed after chaining only two ~200mm lengths. The quality of the riser cable certainly matters.
Re:We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their...
by Godel_unicode on Friday September 23, 2022 @03:24AM
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You need Steve for that kind of testing, LTT would be busy putting rgb on it and then (badly) water cooling it so they could sell you a backpack with no warranty.
Re:We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their...
by userbinator on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:56PM
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It's not clear whether they reached a limit of drive strength or latency (I doubt EMI is the factor, since he said those are shielded) but that's a good demonstration of the resiliency of self-clocked differential serial (and aggregated serial) buses. The technology is much closer to networking standards like Ethernet than traditional parallel PCI, with features like built-in checksums, error correction (newer versions), and automatic retransmit.
Re:We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their...
by willis936 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @09:40PM
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>2017
The 650 Ti is PCIe 3.0. PCIe 4.0 doubles the bandwidth. PCIe 5.0 doubles the bandwidth again. The RTX 40 series GPUs still use PCIe 4.0, which have commonly available conformant riser cables. I suspect the story for PCIe 5.0 will be different.
It does look a little cool, but I always worry a little about the reliability of the cable itself. Does it REALLY meet the signal integrity specifications for PCI-E? Probably not. But, no unexplained crashes or glitches so far and this build is over 2 years old.