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Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by anon84873628 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:56AM (#32940748)
See the "died with" thing is where you lost me. It was obvious that there was an illness killing lots of people. But then you had people who didn't want to admit it, blamed co-morbidities, said doctors were deliberately inflating the numbers to make money, etc. Those people poisoned the well of discourse.

"Died with" was not a meaningful distinction at the time and falls under the "bad faith" category for me.

Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by spookthesunset on Thursday September 22, 2022 @12:25PM (#32941169)
It’s a huge distinction. There is a massive difference between dying because of Covid vs. dying from something else and happening to test positive. By combining them together, Covid looks worse than it is. Then politicians use that faulty data to make bad decisions and the media publishes that bad data and freaks the shit out of people.

One cannot claim to be on team “science and data” when their data is a garbage heap. Being able to tell between “hospitalized because of Covid” and “died because of Covid” vs “hospitalized and tested positive” and “died and tested positive” is an incredibly important thing.

I have no idea why people continue to dismiss this other than fears of people “not taking Covid serious” because… well it might not be as serious as the trash data suggests. It’s completely manipulative, a common theme from “the experts”

You cannot in good faith claim to be “following the data” and accept commingling “from” and “with”.

Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by nradov on Thursday September 22, 2022 @02:45PM (#32942999)
The reported death numbers absolutely were inflated in many areas, at least early in the pandemic. This is a proven fact not open to dispute. For example, Santa Clara County had to revise their death toll down by 22% because they were using invalid criteria.

https://sanjosespotlight.com/santa-clara-county-revises-tota...

Whether such classification errors were deliberate is a separate issue. In most cases I suspect it was more due to lack of resources and/or incompetence rather than a deliberate attempt to mislead.

Medicare did pay hospitals more to care for COVID-19 patients. That is also a fact not open to dispute. Whether doctors or hospitals deliberately inflated numbers to make money is unknown.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fac...

About half of the COVID-19 positive hospital patients were admitted for unrelated reasons, and only tested positive as part of admission screening.

https://gothamist.com/news/new-preliminary-state-data-shows-...

Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by SamPatt on Thursday September 22, 2022 @12:07PM (#32940923)
>poisoned the well of discourse

Please find me a single topic which impacts more than a roomful of people where someone isn't engaging in this type of discourse.

This sounds like you justifying your former false beliefs (or at least lack of willingness to investigate alternative beliefs) by blaming it on other people who were also wrong.