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Re:Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B by beAbU on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:03AM (#32939832)
I'm not sure that I agree with this statement.

Many of the packs that I've seen the inside of has balancing circuitry included.

Also worth considering these packs are charged separate from the tool. So this means the tool cannot control the charge rate etc.

Lastly, based on my luddite eyes, the difference between makita, milwaukee, bosch, dewalt and ryobi batteries seem to me to only be a different keying in the plastic mating parts. This suspicion is amplified when you consider that some of these brands are made by the same company.

Re:Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B by Normille on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:16AM (#32940038)

  >Lastly, based on my luddite eyes, the difference between makita, milwaukee, bosch, dewalt and ryobi batteries seem to me to only be a different keying in the plastic mating parts
The fact that you can buy adaptors to allow one brand's batteries to be used on another brand's tools would seem to back up your theory. However, with the adaptors costing around £20 each and being produced by no-brand 'warranty voiding' unofficial third parties you've never heard of, it would be an expensive business if you wanted to be brand agnostic in your power tool choices, as you'd need a heap of adaptors to cover all the various combinations of tool & battery. Added to which is the potential for a dodgy 3rd party adaptor to damage tool or battery.

I'd like to see the EU designate a common battery interface for all newly manufactured tools & batteries. That way we could buy the best tool for the job each time, instead of being locked into using whatever the Blue, Yellow, Red or Green team are fielding in that area.

The manufacturers would doubtless also produce their own adaptors to allow their existing tools & batteries to work with this new 'One Interface to Rule Them All'

Re:Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B by 6510 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:41AM (#32940482)
I much enjoyed my mobile phone with AA batteries. I had a pocket full of charged ones but if they ran out every corner store sold them. (They drained pretty quickly eventho it had a led display but replacing them was as fast as reloading a gun)
Re:Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B by sorry_i_lisp on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:09AM (#32939938)
+1 that the plastic is the main difference are the "everything to Ryobi"-plastic adadpters you can buy. I use Makita battery->Ryobi tool and it works great.
Re:Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B by NikolaNovak on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:51AM (#32940664)
Ryobi are actually the first batteries that I genuinely dislike; I have 8 year old Black & Decker drill whose battery still works great. Similar experience with some other manufacturers. But we went all-in on Ryobi at Home Depot a few years ago, and we now have to buy 2-4 new batteries a year. Then after 12-18 months, the battery shows as defective on its charger.... brutal.

(probably less-than-average usage patterns as we are lazy house owners; stored inside, not abused)

Re:Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B by Normille on Thursday September 22, 2022 @02:38PM (#32942888)
That pretty much echoes the reputation Ryobi tools have. ie. the tools themselves are really good but the batteries don't last.
Re:Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B by deelowe on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:16AM (#32940041)
Of the tools you listed, none are made by the same company. At least for their primary products.

All of the large format packs have pins for each cell, so charging with a standard balance charger is pretty easy. You can find plenty of schematics for homemade controllers online. Where they differ however, are the other pins. Some use a communication protocol like SMBUS. Some have dedicated pins for specific things like overcurrent or temperature. It varies highly from manufacturer to manufacturer.

AFAIK, all tool brands are moving to communication protocols for the packs.

[EDIT] Someone mentioned adapters. I don't believe there are adapters that support newer communicating packs (e.g. the OEM chargers won't work with the adapter). Older packs are all analog, so conversion is just a simple matter of rerouting the pins.

Re:Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B by 6510 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:42AM (#32940510)
But in all honesty, that is their problem. They chose this road and knew there were riches on it but also risks.
Re:Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B by deelowe on Thursday September 22, 2022 @12:08PM (#32940944)
Who's problem exactly? The communicating packs are WAY better. They last much longer than the old style. It makes sense why this was done.