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Re:Fed raises rates by another 75 bps to fight inflation by rozap on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:10PM (#32930864)
Except that you only live once. If I can buy a house with a mortgage and live in my own place for years of my finite existence versus trying to save money while paying for someone else's mortgage and living in a basement, what seems more rational? You only have a few dozen years left.

It's no utopia, but it works well enough.

Re:Fed raises rates by another 75 bps to fight inflation by ejb999 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:36PM (#32931187)
taking on debt for an appreciating (or incoming earning) asset, is generally OK - taking on debt for a depreciating asset is never a good idea if you can avoid it.

Taking on debt to pay your daily living expenses is a recipe for disaster - and that is what the US govt. has been doing (and many individuals as well)

Re:Fed raises rates by another 75 bps to fight inflation by jrwoodruff on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:59PM (#32931448)
Yea but the US Government isn't a person. It's repayment timespan is, in theory, infinite. And inflation actually devalues any debt the government holds, making it easier to 'pay back.'

Unpopular opinion, and maybe I'm wrong here and I've just been lucky, but I've stopped seeing debt as a bad thing. You have to use it smartly of course, but I don't think there's a one-size-fits-all answer for what that means. Use it for daily living expenses? Sure, as long as you can pay it off every month. Never take out a loan and spend years saving for a car? Nah, or at least not when that interest rate was 2-3%. And I suppose that's where increasing interest rates come in: Get the 99% to stop buying.

Re:Fed raises rates by another 75 bps to fight inflation by monlockandkey on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:14AM (#32936502)
If debt was not so widespread, then the cost of assets would be correlated to salary.

Now with immediate injection of cash, assets are at prices which require money that an ordinary person will never have. They have to jump on the debt treadmill to acquire necessities.

Re:Fed raises rates by another 75 bps to fight inflation by ejb999 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @06:13AM (#32936890)
excellent point - buying a new car is a good example, allowing someone to take out a 7 year loan to payoff a new car, allows the car companies to simply charge more for them - as a large portion of people make their decisions based on being able to afford the monthly payment, not the total price.
Re:Fed raises rates by another 75 bps to fight inflation by nebula8804 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @12:45PM (#32941414)
That does not seem like a good example. The car industry is extremely competitive and capital intensive. Margins are so thin on the lower prices sedans that some companies (GM, Ford) have just given up on the segment.
Re:Fed raises rates by another 75 bps to fight inflation by CodesInChaos on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:45AM (#32939507)
I think easily available loads are largely responsible for the high cost of college education in the US.
Re:Fed raises rates by another 75 bps to fight inflation by SketchySeaBeast on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:52PM (#32931366)
> taking on debt for a depreciating asset is never a good idea if you can avoid it.

Even that isn't necessarily true - if one is broke but one needs a car for a better job they need to take on debt for the car. The debt definitely isn't an appreciating or incoming earning asset, but it is a good choice.

Re:Fed raises rates by another 75 bps to fight inflation by ejb999 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @05:45PM (#32931942)
thus the "if you can avoid it" part of my answer.
Re:Fed raises rates by another 75 bps to fight inflation by pixl97 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @06:04PM (#32932160)
Eh, this is an especially terrible take on your part.

The 'asset' that the government is taking dept on to pay for its living expense is YOU. On the averaged timeline YOU are an income earning asset. The government takes some expenses (roads, education, water, safety) and out comes a taxpayer that has an average income earning lifespan.

You as an individual don't get to play the averages game quite as well. If you are borrowing money today to pay for your daily expenses it is highly likely that will be true tomorrow. You as an individual have risks like getting fired and not getting a new job, or getting smooshed in a car accident. These are risks your lenders take on when figuring out the rate your loans will have, if you even get a loan at all.

Re:Fed raises rates by another 75 bps to fight inflation by leetcrew on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @06:04PM (#32932161)
> taking on debt for an appreciating (or incoming earning) asset, is generally OK - taking on debt for a depreciating asset is never a good idea if you can avoid it.

this is a good rule of thumb, but there are exceptions. say I want to buy something that costs much less than my net worth, but more than I typically keep in my checking account. I have the choice between a) selling investments, b) taking out a loan, or c) deferring new investments until I've accumulated enough cash.

there are pros and cons to each. with a), I'm paying capital gains tax that I could otherwise defer. with b), I'm taking the risk that my cash flow dries up and I need to sell assets anyway on top of paying interest. and with c), I'm taking the risk that my cash inflates away while I'm saving up.

you can't know with certainty which is best, but b) is usually optimal with a sufficiently low rate.

Re:Fed raises rates by another 75 bps to fight inflation by jedberg on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @06:00PM (#32932133)
> Taking on debt to pay your daily living expenses is a recipe for disaster

Taking on unsecured debt is a bad idea. But if you are going to spend $100,000 on living this year and have $100,000 in the bank, you have two choices. Spend the $100,000 and have nothing. Or use the $100,000 to buy bonds or another income producing asset, then take a loan using that as collateral. As long as the interest you earn from your collateral is more than the rate you pay, you come out ahead.

Instead of having a bank account with $0, you have an investment account with $100,000, debt of $100,000, and you're earning interest on the investment account each month that hopefully covers the interest on the debt plus provides some extra income.

Re:Fed raises rates by another 75 bps to fight inflation by bombcar on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @06:40PM (#32932537)
You’re also taking on risk (otherwise the bank would just skip you and buy the asset directly).
Re:Fed raises rates by another 75 bps to fight inflation by jedberg on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:25PM (#32932955)
The bank does buy the asset directly. They also buy it on my behalf because they are using my money and taking a fee.