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Re:Meta and Google are cutting staff by baby on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:21PM (#32930137)
Layoffs are a way to get rid of low performers without legal issues.
Re:Meta and Google are cutting staff by kasey_junk on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @09:12PM (#32933705)
I worked doing layoffs and you always say to the press you are removing low performers because what else are you going to say?

In reality that’s not what happens. Instead you get rid of teams, roles or high cost individuals. Why? Because it is much easier to deal with the work the let go individuals are doing and it impacts morale less.

I never saw a stack ranked layoff. The closest was demanding teams all lose someone. But that leaves teams with really good people getting rid of good people and teams full of dogs retaining them.

Re:Meta and Google are cutting staff by dymk on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:09PM (#32930847)
Thats what a PIP is for. Layoffs are for firing a lot of people at once. Doesn’t have to be due to performance.
Re:Meta and Google are cutting staff by bleah1000 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @08:30PM (#32933424)
PIPs require a tremendous amount of effort and work. It also doesn't guarantee that the person would be fired. There are many times where the employee might do just enough to get off the PIP, but still be a really low performer.

It also sucks for the employee, a PIP is really stressful not knowing what will happen next, will you get fired, should you start looking for a new job.

In addition, the PIP can take months to get to the finish. Maybe even six months in some cases.

A layoff takes way less time, but it does suck for the employee. I don't know which is worse. But if you have a good employer, you still might be able to transfer to another part of the company. Being on a PIP usually means your only choice is looking outside the company for a new job.

Layoffs always hit good and low performers, there is no way it can't. But if a company wants to get rid of a number of low performers at the same time, PIPs are not the way to go.

Re:Meta and Google are cutting staff by jedberg on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:51PM (#32931352)
PIPs are lawsuit fodder. A general layoff where a bunch of people are let go at the same time makes it a lot harder for the person who was let go say it was targeted at them.
Re:Meta and Google are cutting staff by dymk on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @06:33PM (#32932463)
Why do you think PIPs are lawsuit fodder?
Re:Meta and Google are cutting staff by baby on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:09PM (#32932825)
They're generally used to prevent a lawsuit, but they do not prevent lawsuits. A layoff on the other hand...
Re:Meta and Google are cutting staff by jedberg on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @08:23PM (#32933377)
Because no matter what you write in a PIP someone could turn around and sue you for it and have a good enough case to at least force a settlement. Everyone has some sort of "protected class" they are part of.

But with a layoff it's really hard to prove the layoff was targeted unless everyone in the layoff happens to be part of the same protected class.

Re:Meta and Google are cutting staff by baby on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:07PM (#32932799)
That is definitely not what PIPs are for