Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove...
by foverzar on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:49PM
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> Those new people will be less trained than real soldiers
Ok, I see you didn't even bother to do a minimal research on the topic at hand. Sorry, but it's really hard to take you seriously when your reasoning is based on assumptions and imagination, instead of specifics and facts.
> all the newest stuff was spent
Yesterday's talking points were that there isn't new stuff at all and it's all old Soviet stuff. Doublethink at it's finest.
Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove...
by trasz on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @06:45PM
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So, can you give me some pointers to the explanation how they wouldn’t be worse trained? Especially given the previous attempt, the (already failed) “third army”?
As for “new stuff” - the actually new stuff didn’t exist or was so scarce it didn’t matter. Here I mean the “new stuff” from Russian army point of view. This includes late Cold War. Note how Russia can’t manufacture Armata tanks or BMP3, so it’s switching back to manufacturing 80’s models instead.
Except it's not total force, it's fictional force. Those new people will be less trained than real soldiers, will have worse equipment (all the newest stuff already got spent); Russia lost a lot of officer cadre, so their leadership will be (somehow) worse too, and most importantly, they are being sent there by force, so will be less motivated to fight.
Given the collosal failures in Kyiv and Charkov, the new corps, being even worse, will either become a low-grade meat for Ukrainian artillery, like the recent "Third Army" reportedly did, or realize their situation and change sides.