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Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by logifail on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @09:36AM (#32924953)
> EU-funded project cannot succeed in tech because previous EU-funded projects have failed in tech in the past (and generally government-funded project in tech are suspicious)

I'm not suspicious of all government-funded projects (back in the day my own PhD was government-funded!) but I can't help be suspicious of claims such as:

"an open European infrastructure for internet search, based on European values and jurisdiction"

and

"The project will be contributing to Europe’s digital sovereignty"

Q1: Who defines "European values"? Is that done by Qualified Majority voting or would - for instance - Hungary have a veto on any proposed definition?

Q2: Which treaties regulate "digital sovereignty"? Recalling that the 27 member states each "remain sovereign and independent"[0], is that digital sovereignty being handled in BRU, in the 27 states, or a mixture of both?

[0] https://op.europa.eu/webpub/com/eu-what-it-is/en/

Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by bryanrasmussen on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @09:46AM (#32925079)
>"an open European infrastructure for internet search, based on European values and jurisdiction"

jurisdiction = GDPR will not be cheated.

European = We mistrust America, because they do crappy stuff that meant we had to pass GDPR.

>Europe’s digital sovereignty

Means - Europe will not be ruled by interests outside Europe, the interests inside Europe can fight it out via EU procedures.

Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by logifail on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:42PM (#32929478)
> jurisdiction = GDPR will not be cheated

Are there (m)any global search engines with European users who are "cheating" GDPR? Which ones?

> Europe will not be ruled by interests outside Europe

That's a very bold claim, especially considering the geopolitical situation right now.

> the interests inside Europe can fight it out via EU procedures

Would that be the interests of the estimated 25k-30k lobbyists who work in Brussels on behalf of their corporate paymasters?

Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by bryanrasmussen on Friday September 23, 2022 @03:34AM (#32949029)
are you reading my post as being a statement that these will be the results instead of my providing an interpretation of what the original EU text means?

>Would that be the interests of the estimated 25k-30k lobbyists who work in Brussels on behalf of their corporate paymasters?

probably, as well as the various governments that exist in the EU.

Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by nix23 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @03:41AM (#32935863)
>European = We mistrust America, because they do crappy stuff that meant we had to pass GDPR.

But we still mistrust our citizens that's why we introduce Chat-control 2.0, so we have a "better then China" control over private communication.

European values ;)

Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by phoefer on Thursday September 22, 2022 @06:12AM (#32936885)
Remember that the EU is not just one person. There are many people, parties and organisations who are actively fighting against legislation like this.
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by nix23 on Sunday September 25, 2022 @07:46AM (#32970494)
You mean begging not fighting right? But why should i trust Europe more then for example Google (at least they can protect their "trade-secrets/data").

That's why People trust evil-company's more then stupid[1] Governments.

[1] never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.