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Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by desindol on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:43AM (#32921911)
It’s good that we finally stopped appeasing every dictator with some cheap energy.
Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by roenxi on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:51AM (#32921962)
We're setting up a situation here where China will likely end up ascendant. The big thing the West has in its favour is control of financial flows and services which are a huge edge in long periods of peace.

A serious war could break out and it appears neither China nor India are that worried about Ukraine. We're going to end up torpedoing all the systems that keep us wealthy and comfortable as Asia gets serious about securing itself and has a real reason to break away from the US's world order. Russia has a lot of energy to offer other Asian partners, China has motives to support this sort of war and India I don't know what they will decide to do but there are big opportunities here for them.

And in exchange for these strategic blunders, we're getting ... war, corpses, money wasted building weapons and serious threats of nuclear war. This is a really bad situation for anyone in a country that speaks English as an official language. At least, probably a couple of other American satellites are worried too. We're not getting anything here in exchange for warming the situation up by arming Russia's enemies and laughing loudly at their government.

Even if this hadn't led to a partial mobilisation of a nuclear power, sending huge numbers of weapons to a country famous for its corruption was a bloody stupid idea to start with.

Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by yladiz on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:47AM (#32923673)
> This is a really bad situation for anyone in a country that speaks English as an official language

I know this is pedantic, but if you're going to make an appeal using something like this, at least be more exact and really know your facts. English is by far the most spoken language in countries like the US and UK, but they aren't official languages.

Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by desindol on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:32AM (#32922220)
We should really thrive to get a better history education into our school curiculums these comments are so malinformed it's actually dangerous.
Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by remarkEon on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @05:13AM (#32922499)
The parent post is a little glib, but the concern about how China and especially India will react is accurate. There's somewhat of a tipping point happening in world history, as we edge into the post-9/11 era.
Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by rightbyte on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:51AM (#32921964)
The only other strategy to appease, is not to escalate until we all get nuked. It is not binary. We can't have these tensions each time the US or Russia invades X.
Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by desindol on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:29AM (#32922196)
So your strategy would be what exactly?
Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by rightbyte on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @05:08AM (#32922471)
Do nothing. Whine abit. Work long term for stability.
Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by desindol on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @05:17AM (#32922513)
How would you achieve long term stability with countries that have imperial ambition?
Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by scandinavian on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @05:37AM (#32922662)
I think he is suggesting that we allow Putin to re-create the old Soviet Union and then hope it stops there.
Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by foverzar on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:19AM (#32923462)
Mutual restraining deterrent that isn't limited to "end game for everyone" button. We saw what had happened when the SU had collapsed and the only remaining unopposed empire had started wreaking havoc all over the world.

I would assume that if there were more diverse military alliances and less transcontinental ones (looking at you, NATO, can't be responsible if your brain is on safe on another continent), we wouldn't have as much soil polluted by depleted uranium.

Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by desindol on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:32AM (#32923557)
You are just shifting the wars to be more localized…
Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by foverzar on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:45AM (#32923657)
You are saying this like it's a bad thing.

Practically all 21 century conflicts were initially local and would have vented out fast, but there is always some superpower that comes along and starts pushing it's interests, pumping one party with advanced arms and turning every conflict into a clusterfuck blood bath, just cuz it's not their electorate who's dying, so there is no interest in solving it fast.

Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by desindol on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @08:09AM (#32923870)
You should really start to learn about more than the last 100 years of history. Localized and fights between smaller adversaries have always been more destabilizing than bigger standoffs.
Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by foverzar on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @08:32AM (#32924073)
> You should really start to learn about more than the last 100 years of history.

Oh please, get off your high horse and stop acting as a superior if all you have is vague accusations of your interlocutor being not as smart as you are.

It is hardly correct to compare post-WWII modern conflicts with early 20 century conflicts, much less with the stuff before that.

The world is different, communication is different, the economy is different - just look at the comments here: ordinary people from all conflicting countries discuss economic repercussions of their countries being at each-others throats.

I wouldn't believe that it has no tangible effect. IMO, people seem really tired of all this shit and most would rather just finish it and be done with it.

Unfortunately, since it is a dick swinging contest between superpowers, the whole tension doesn't vent out as it should, but instead it gets unnaturally prolonged.

And I am not even touching the subject of that this conflict would have never even been a thing if a certain superpower wasn't so hard on expanding it's sphere of influence on a foreign continent, right at the border of another historically competing superpower.

Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by desindol on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @10:14AM (#32925448)
No, my horse is amazing and IMO your opinions are unsubstantiated garbage, just building sandcastles. You are arguing that it's fine to kill a lot of people as long as it's fast and you can overcome the mild inconvience of your own life, insane. Nice talk though.
Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by foverzar on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @11:52AM (#32926936)
> You are arguing that it's fine to kill a lot of people as long as it's fast and you can overcome the mild inconvience of your own life, insane.

That wasn't really my point, lol. Like, that wasn't my point AT ALL, did you even read my replies or were you too busy narcissising yourself?

Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by desindol on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:59PM (#32928778)
It’s the only conclusion to take from your ramblings… what else did you want to convey?
Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by foverzar on Thursday September 22, 2022 @02:49AM (#32935529)
Well learn to read, then.

You can live in an imaginary world of ponies and rainbows where wars don't happen at all cuz you really-really-really want them not to happen.

Unfortunately in real life they DO happen. And when they do, they turn into a complete shitstorm as soon as something like NATO gets involved.

And thus my point is that you are a cruel monster if you think that the logic of "Oooh, let's give them some weapons" results in anything but a bloody fun show for wealthy white people.

Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by trasz on Thursday September 22, 2022 @01:59PM (#32942428)
"As soon as NATO gets involved"? It's not NATO who invaded Ukraine, it's Russia. You're blaming the victim - or perhaps the party that decided to help the victim.

And perhaps this is the root of the misunderstanding. You're assuming that Russia somehow "has the right" to invade. That's what many Americans believe about their country, but there's a crucial difference: US is a world power, Russia isn't. Thus it's not possible to "punish" US, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try with other countries. Especially given that now we know what happens if we fail to do that - it was the western leniency towards Russian invasion on Crimea in 2014 that provoked Putin to do it again.

Re:Putin orders partial Russian mobilisation, warns West ove... by foverzar on Saturday September 24, 2022 @09:44AM (#32962548)
> It's not NATO who invaded Ukraine, it's Russia.

Yes, and? If your point is that we should exclude all the cause-effect from our thought process, then sorry, but no.

> You're blaming the victim

NATO isn't the victim. And all it does is making the power struggle between politicians more fiery.

> US is a world power, Russia isn't. Thus it's not possible to "punish" US, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try with other countries.

I don't really see the logical implication here. The history of the 20th century shows it's very much possible. It's just that people would rather suck up to someone powerful.