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Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by tboyd47 on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @01:58PM (#32915424)
How does having a personal ID tied to browsing activity help with spam? Are spammers not real people with IDs?
Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by adamckay on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @02:11PM (#32915636)
Of course, but the theory is it's restricting 1 real person to 1 account, versus 1 spammer creating 1,000 accounts via automation.

And once your spammer has been identified then that's them banned/removed, unable to sign up again.

Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by tboyd47 on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @04:31PM (#32917377)
What's to stop them from using fake IDs
Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by MichaelZuo on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @11:06PM (#32920404)
Airports seem to be able to spot fake passports pretty reliably.
Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by tboyd47 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:47PM (#32928609)
Try forcing 100% of online traffic through an airport security checkpoint.
Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by MichaelZuo on Thursday September 22, 2022 @09:09AM (#32938302)
Presumably there can be more than one, like real life airport checkpoints? What are you even trying to say?
Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by les_diabolique on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @02:07PM (#32915578)
Spammers typically implement bots to carry out tasks. I mean, technically at some point a spammer is a real person, but when you're automating tasks and using bots, it's not at the same scale.
Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by notsapiensatall on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @02:55PM (#32916239)
So what happens when your ID gets hacked and reused for fraudulent activity?

Would you have to submit a dispute with the internet credit agencies? Maybe join a class action suit against the entity that leaked your ID so that they're forced to give you a year of free internet identity monitoring?

Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by smsm42 on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @03:10PM (#32916422)
The same that happens now when somebody stills your identity and ruins your credit history. You'll have to live in a bureaucratic hell for the next couple of years. And yes, as a compensation, you'll get the $6.99 worth of services from the guilty party. If you win the class action suit, that is.
Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by notsapiensatall on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @04:47PM (#32917579)
Exactly. Why on earth would we want to replicate such a terrible system online?

We should be reforming our current credit agency system, not empowering it with a new mandate of judging somebody's social or political creditworthiness.

Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by jamie_ca on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @04:05PM (#32917075)
Then you need to deal with levels of rate-limiting that are fine for individuals but make it not feasible for spammers.

Keeping with the cloudflare topic, if Cloudflare only permits you 10 requests per second (HTML + JS/images) that's still usable for web browsing, but someone running a cloud of hundreds of bots would be effectively shut down. Similarly with email, an individual probably doesn't need to send more than one email per 10 seconds but email spammers wouldn't find any ROI at that rate - business needs being different might necessitate a different registry or something in that case.

Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by mcguire on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @03:12PM (#32916449)
Nobody said it wouldn't suck. The only question is whether it sucks less than the alternatives.
Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by les_diabolique on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @10:21PM (#32920190)
If you have a better solution, I'm sure it would be very lucrative.
Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by tboyd47 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @11:25AM (#32926455)
Looks like Cloudflare beat us to it.