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Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by cvwright on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @11:00AM (#32912596)
You block this guy from the internet for a week —- for no apparent reason —- and then you come in here with a nitpick about how another related system works?

Really?

Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by judge2020 on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @11:09AM (#32912757)
The point is that Cloudflare does not beam IP reputation data to Google. If Google and CF are blocking this IP separately, what's the chance there's some malicious device or hacked IoT device on the network, participating in DDOS attacks or unauthorized vulnerability scanning of random websites?
Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by pessimizer on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @01:01PM (#32914625)
According to another comment, it's a wrong point: https://blog.cloudflare.com/cleaning-up-bad-bots/

> Once enabled, when we detect a bad bot, we will do three things: (1) we’re going to disincentivize the bot maker economically by tarpitting them, including requiring them to solve a computationally intensive challenge that will require more of their bot’s CPU; (2) for Bandwidth Alliance partners, we’re going to hand the IP of the bot to the partner and get the bot kicked offline; and (3) we’re going to plant trees to make up for the bot’s carbon cost.

Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by judge2020 on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @01:22PM (#32914905)
I'm pretty sure this was for a situation like Digitalocean themselves hosting a bot, but such IP sharing very well might be currently (ab)used by partners, if it's happening here.
Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by jgrahamc on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @01:06PM (#32914680)
Yeah. I'm looking into that.
Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by zinekeller on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @11:22AM (#32912974)
Yeah, if for example Spamhaus (which both Cloudflare and Google consult) has detected that a subnet is bad then that could be the cause.

Still, it doesn't excuse Cloudflare that there's no redress if you are caught on a block or even a clue on what you can do to reduce it (especially that Spamhaus do have redress procedures).

Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by cvwright on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @11:26AM (#32913043)
Fair point
Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by stefan_ on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @04:50PM (#32917625)
A wrong nitpick, even! Way to look like the asshole.
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Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by acdha on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @12:30PM (#32914107)
It makes a very broad claim which makes it sound like an extortion racket but doesn't have anything to back it up. I would bet that if it included some evidence it would fare much better. For example, they have a ton of large organizations which are customers. The very first question the average reader is going to have is whether it's really the case that these sites are predominantly attacked by booter services which use Cloudflare for hosting? That seems unlikely and as general rule here the broader the claim the more people are going to expect you to show that you did your homework first.
Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by gusgus01 on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @02:53PM (#32916203)
The claim was discussed in this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32709329

Basically DDOS booters use Cloudflare to protect their websites from competitors, since Cloudflare is one of the best. The same people Cloudflare is protecting (and claims to do so on an ethical neutrality basis) is furthering the need for Cloudflare to exist.

Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by acdha on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @03:40PM (#32916767)
Note that I’m not saying whether or not this is true, only that a comment which links to something like that will generally fare better than one which begs the question.
Re:You don’t want to be on Cloudflare’s naughty list by cma on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @01:32PM (#32915028)
Its like finding the worst videos on youtube and saying that's their business model.