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Re:The internet is already over by disantlor on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @06:45AM (#32910025)
unfortunately the antibodies of capitalism are increasingly effective in eliminating punk anywhere it attempts to take root
Re:The internet is already over by vibrio on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @07:35AM (#32910354)
I think the internet killed punk. It’s much harder to have a cohesive subculture when all information is available to anyone. In the 80s, one had to know the right record/book store to go to, the right college radio shows to tune into, and spend hours a week leafing through issues of Maximum rock and roll to have all the cultural information to glue the subculture together. Now it’s a few clicks. For better or worse, it’s certain,, it’s certainly less gluey.
Re:The internet is already over by Turing_Machine on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @11:56AM (#32913515)
By contrast, I think what actually killed punk was the type of "in-group" elitist behavior that you describe in your comment.

Punk was, in its beginnings, explicitly ANTI-elitist. Got an old guitar and a cassette recorder? You, too, can produce music!

Very few art forms can describe becoming "trendy", and punk wasn't one of them.

Re:The internet is already over by vibrio on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @07:07PM (#32918964)
Wow. I’m sure if we were having this discussion face to face my comments wouldn’t have come off as elitist. There surely was an elitist crew in punk culture but what I was trying to describe is how I see that subcultures exist- better or worse. Liking music that wasn’t popular and could only be found in out of the way venues wasn’t elitist, but more of a common interest in spending one’s free time flipping through record racks and watching bands in dank sometimes dangerous venues. The DIY culture you reference was a central part of it. In my circles it was less exclusionary and more ‘neglected’, because the music didn’t sound like Phil Colins or Metallica- it was sloppy and weird in most peoples eyes. I don’t revere ‘punk’ . I have no allegiance to punk, as it’s hypocracy came to equal that of broader society (paraphrasing DH Pelligro IIRC). It didn’t become trendy it spawned trendy ‘offspring’.