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Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by panarky on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:24AM (#32899623)
"The MIT statement on free expression states that in order to encourage provocative thinking, controversial views, and nonconformity, the university will protect all speech within the boundaries of the First Amendment."

"Therefore, as a junior member of the Flat Earth Society, I demand MIT provide me an auditorium and a microphone to legitimize and amplify my nonconformist opinion about the shape of the Earth."

Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by superb-owl on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:34AM (#32899761)
This is also a false equivalence.

MIT is obviously only going to consider inviting speakers that would appeal to some subset of its community. The statement doesn't give anyone a right to demand an audience at MIT, it gives the MIT community license to invite controversial speakers.

Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by panarky on Monday September 19, 2022 @01:49PM (#32901548)
Which gives the lie to all the sanctimonious talk about protecting all speech that's legal under the First Amendment.

MIT isn't protecting all legal speech, they're amplifying speech the MIT community wants to hear, and suppressing speech the community doesn't want to hear.

If the MIT community wants to legitimize and amplify speech about perpetuating the current hierarchy of elites, and suppress protest speech aiming to open up and overturn that hierarchy, it's up to the community.

It has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

Contrary to all the feel-good language about platforming nonconformity, the goal is not to provide an equal platform to all viewpoints, because that would be ridiculous.

Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by superb-owl on Monday September 19, 2022 @06:08PM (#32904775)
Free speech isn't about giving all ideas an equal footing. It's about letting any individual speak their mind without fear of repercussions. And that is exactly what MIT appears to be pledging to do here.

Ideas are still subject to the marketplace, and the MIT community is a very discriminating market.

Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by Manuel_D on Monday September 19, 2022 @01:54PM (#32901608)
If someone wants to try to promote flat earth ideas let them. I think it's condescending to MIT students to think this is somehow harming them.
Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by panarky on Monday September 19, 2022 @02:07PM (#32901789)
People are free to promote whatever crackpot ideas they wish. The question is whether MIT should provide a platform for everyone.

Since there are infinite crackpot ideas but only one Kresge Auditorium, the MIT community must make value judgments about what speakers and ideas are worthy, and which ones are not.

No institution should be compelled to provide a platform for all speakers and ideas. Some speakers and ideas are worthy of MIT, and many are not.

MIT faculty and leadership should embrace their fiduciary duty to make these hard judgments. They should grapple with what it means for speakers and ideas to be worthy, and what speech should not receive MIT legitimacy and amplification.

Instead this statement evades all of that by pretending to support all speech as long as it's legal.

Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by Manuel_D on Monday September 19, 2022 @04:10PM (#32903251)
> Since there are infinite crackpot ideas but only one Kresge Auditorium, the MIT community must make value judgments about what speakers and ideas are worthy, and which ones are not

But this is the key thing: Abbot was giving a talk on environmental studies, and confirmed affirmative action was not part of the talk he was giving. The push to exclude him was on the basis of something other the science of his talk.

Here's a better analogy: would it be appropriate to cancel musician'd concert because he's a flat earther? The argument that we have only one auditorium and we should allocate it to a better musician does not make sense unless there's a compelling reason to say that his musical performance abilities are affected by a belief in a flat earth.

Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by PubliusMI on Monday September 19, 2022 @01:13PM (#32901094)
Are there many members of the community at MIT that would be eager to see such a talk?
Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by ternus on Monday September 19, 2022 @02:13PM (#32901867)
You might be surprised. The MIT Lecture Series Committee (a student club which now mostly screens movies) invited Gene "Time Cube" Ray to give a talk: https://web.mit.edu/iap/www/iap02/searchiap/iap-4330.html

AIUI this was controversial, but not for the reasons you might think: people were concerned that the guy wasn't well and that encouraging him wasn't kind.

Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by TigeriusKirk on Monday September 19, 2022 @01:57PM (#32901637)
Sounds good to me. Bring on the debate.