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Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by tomcam on Monday September 19, 2022 @09:27AM (#32898004)
> These people are surprisingly easy to spot, by the way.

Excellent. So let them say what they want and demolish them with reason instead of suppression.

Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by contrast on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:17AM (#32899519)
Do you have any evidence to support your assertion here? It seems to me that promoting well practiced liars has rarely resulted in reasoned discussions.

Nor does compelling people to promote bad faith actors seem to me anything other than another method of suppression. Compelled speech is not free speech.

Let individuals and individual institutions apply some judgement, as if they were living, breathing human beings able to make choices.

If a university demonstrates consistently poor judgement, that problem will not be solved by having event organisers who believe they are unable to make their own choices.

Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by naasking on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:54AM (#32900027)
You've implicitly assumed that "hosting" implies "promoting". Rather, hosting liars is in fact the best way to expose their lies.
Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by himinlomax on Monday September 19, 2022 @01:16PM (#32901135)
> Do you have any evidence to support your assertion here?

That wasn't an assertion, and there was nothing requiring evidence.

Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by tomcam on Monday September 19, 2022 @03:10PM (#32902561)
You made assertions. I did not. We have a well established free speech tradition. It’s on you to prove why a place of education should shut down civil discourse that you don’t like.
Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by RHSeeger on Monday September 19, 2022 @09:33AM (#32898076)
I'm quoting what I said in anther comment here, but it applies, so...

> it takes orders of magnitude more effort to fight against lies and misinformation than it does to create them. As such, letting everyone say whatever they want and expecting the lies to be exposed/countered by the truthspeakers is destined to fail. We've seen this exact thing play out on every social network.

Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by tomcam on Monday September 19, 2022 @05:33PM (#32904326)
Sorry free speech is hard for you. Unfortunately, it beats all of the alternatives.
Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by cool_dude85 on Monday September 19, 2022 @09:51AM (#32898279)
This doesn't work in some situations. Hitler would not have been DEMOLISHED by facts and logic, to use a youtube-ism.
Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by quantumwannabe on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:00AM (#32899269)
Hitler went to prison and came out stronger and more popular. Oppressing him didn't work, but there was a chance that the German people could have been convinced that National Socialism wouldn't improve the economy and restore Germany to its pre-WWI glory.
Re:Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT by tomcam on Monday September 19, 2022 @05:34PM (#32904340)
Well he took everyone’s weapons away and imprisoned everyone who spoke against him. So a robust constitution like ours would’ve had a much better chance of standing up to him.