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Re:Cppfront, Herb Sutter's proposal for a new C++ syntax by lallysingh on Saturday September 17, 2022 @04:56PM (#32881499)
A lot of companies started with Java or Go, and will consider Rust without ever touching C++. The stigma alone is enough to turn people off.

Hell it's going into the kernel in 6.1.

C++ runs a real risk of surviving only in the embedded/realtime space in the next 10 years.

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Re:Cppfront, Herb Sutter's proposal for a new C++ syntax by mrkeen on Saturday September 17, 2022 @05:29PM (#32881767)
10 years? That feels too short.

C++ is all the operating systems and the browsers and the games and the JVM.

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Re:Cppfront, Herb Sutter's proposal for a new C++ syntax by SubjectToChange on Saturday September 17, 2022 @05:32PM (#32881797)
> The stigma alone is enough to turn people off.

C++ has been hated for decades now. The reason it's used is often because you have to.

> C++ runs a real risk of surviving only in the embedded/realtime space in the next 10 years.

Ten years from now C++ will still be the language underpinning LLVM, web browsers, geometric modeling, machine learning, etc

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Re:Cppfront, Herb Sutter's proposal for a new C++ syntax by lallysingh on Sunday September 18, 2022 @12:21AM (#32884398)
Rust means you don't have to anymore. While the old software codebases will keep using it, the new ones won't.
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Re:Cppfront, Herb Sutter's proposal for a new C++ syntax by bsder on Saturday September 17, 2022 @06:21PM (#32882181)
> C++ runs a real risk of surviving only in the embedded/realtime space in the next 10 years.

Embedded/realtime? No way. The people I know in embedded won't touch C++ with your 10 foot pole.

Most of my embedded code is wrangling various "stacks" into cooperation with one another, and C++ helps me not one whit with that. At the other side, when I'm just poking sensors, C is more than enough.

And, as much I would really like embedded communication stacks to be in Rust, all that would happen would be the vendors slapping "unsafe" on everything so they would basically be writing C anyway.

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Re:Cppfront, Herb Sutter's proposal for a new C++ syntax by sidlls on Saturday September 17, 2022 @06:40PM (#32882304)
More or less this. “Unsafe” as a value proposition loses its luster when it’s ubiquitous in a code base.
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