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Re:Tell HN: Locked out of Gmail account even after right pas... by jesterson on Friday September 16, 2022 @03:44AM (#32863305)
And that's totally fine. People should not treat IT services as something reliable, it is extremely unreliable and prone to many issues thing.

Once it will be understood, losing xx-years accounts wouldn't be a problem.

I know this is controversial idea, but the more I see cases like that, the more I am sure about it

Re:Tell HN: Locked out of Gmail account even after right pas... by paganel on Friday September 16, 2022 @03:53AM (#32863361)
> And that's totally fine. People should not treat IT services as something reliable,

Problem is the "society" around us (for lack of a better word) treats IT services as something reliable, see how more and more countries go digital/electronic only when it comes to payments or relationship with the government.

Re:Tell HN: Locked out of Gmail account even after right pas... by jesterson on Friday September 16, 2022 @05:34AM (#32864061)
Exactly. that's why governments love IT and push it - they weaponise it against citizens.
Re:Tell HN: Locked out of Gmail account even after right pas... by rexf on Friday September 16, 2022 @04:08AM (#32863460)
Websites & apps treat your e-mail or phone number as your identity. Is it ideal? No, but it's reality.

Until everyone can agree on a better system, your e-mail is your online identity across countless websites. This makes losing your e-mail (with no customer support to regain access) a huge vulnerability in everyone's personal life.

Re:Tell HN: Locked out of Gmail account even after right pas... by jesterson on Friday September 16, 2022 @05:36AM (#32864074)
Then don't use it? If there would be more reluctance against ubiquitous (and pointless) IT services, perhaps the situation with overreliance wouldn't have happened.
Re:Tell HN: Locked out of Gmail account even after right pas... by throwaway15908 on Friday September 16, 2022 @04:15AM (#32863508)
I dont know why you get down voted because you are absolutely right.

I would go even further and demand regulators to define standards to enable migration or self hosting.

Re:Tell HN: Locked out of Gmail account even after right pas... by jesterson on Friday September 16, 2022 @05:31AM (#32864028)
Unfortunately HN crowd is more and more resembling reddit communities, where emotional downvoting is a way to express themselves instead of maintaining well argumentative discussion. Doesn't surprise me anymore