Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company
by strbean on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:45PM
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> exercise consumption
Did you mean 'excessive'? Or is this a term I'm not finding on Google?
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company
by simonh on Thursday September 15, 2022 @02:30AM
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I meant excessive. Sorry, typed it on my phone.
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company
by int_19h on Thursday September 15, 2022 @12:59AM
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> In communism ... they are owned and managed by a government bureaucracy.
That depends on the degree of centralization of any given variety of socialism. The other option is that they are owned and managed directly by the workers.
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company
by simonh on Thursday September 15, 2022 @02:26AM
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True, and I have no problem with that. In fact such ownership structures are possible and do exist in many capitalist countries as well. There’s no law against it. Ultimately capitalism is founded on individual economic freedom, and that includes the freedom to enter into cooperative ownership structures and the sort of charitable trust structure Patagonia now enjoys.
The main reason I think we don’t see cooperative worker owned enterprises very often is that employees generally are not interested in assuming the level of financial commitment, responsibility and risk that goes with ownership.
Personally I believe each of these can have advantages in various situations. Some critical shared infrastructure and services I think do belong with government. Defence, healthcare, emergency services, perhaps some utilities. Charitable trusts have a place. But I also believe private citizens that demonstrate the ability to build and run businesses also have a place, a big place in the system. Private capital investment is a massive and highly productive and efficient force for economic good. Typical billionaires don’t spend billions on themselves. Millions yes, but most of those billions exist as shares that represent control of productive businesses that provide goods, services and jobs. If they spent it all on themselves they wouldn’t be billionaires for very long.
I don’t think it’s generally in the public interest or beneficial to society to confiscate businesses from their owners, and what? Give it to who? There is a legitimate concern that such control can lead to negative effects like exercise consumption or political influence, but the way you deal with that is to address those problems directly.