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Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by orwin on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @06:20PM (#32844204)
I dislike "climate change" too, because it carries the idea that we can change it back. I think "global warming" was fine, but if i had to pick something, it would be "climate drift" i think.
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by DoingIsLearning on Thursday September 15, 2022 @01:41AM (#32847531)
Not sure why you are getting downvoted. Frank Luntz was the republican PR pollster that advised the Bush administration to replace "global warming" with "climate change" in all White house documents and speeches.

The idea was to make it sound less severe, to please the Oil&Gas lobby. For the most part it worked as you now have environmentalist on the other side of the fence using it too.

I agree with the argument that climate change is maybe not accurate as some regions might cool as well. I would prefer "climate emergency" if I was in charge of the PR.

Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by edgyquant on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @06:58PM (#32844610)
I really like climate drift
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by harwoodleon on Thursday September 15, 2022 @02:25AM (#32847870)
I really like “the great extinction”

More punchy. More descriptive of actual events.

“Climate drift” sounds like the name of an AI bot, made specifically to create a narrative that underplays the seriousness and gravity of the extremely dangerous and deadly feedback loops that are appearing now in the global climate system.

Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by orwin on Thursday September 15, 2022 @06:07AM (#32849573)
Drift carry the idea that we cannot change it back.

I don't think it underplay anything. I understand that we must act. But with this name your arguments won't be heard.

The climate denialists of today are those believing that if it gets too much, we will have to do some efforts for a decade and boom, back to 1970 climate. I want to engage that belief, hence 'climate drift'

Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by edgyquant on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:21PM (#32868372)
The implication of “great extinction” is that we’re seeing a mass extinction event which we aren’t. At least not on the level of the major ones usually discussed.
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by e9 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @06:47PM (#32844503)
I disagree. Climate always changes. Constantly. Warming is just one part of the climate change. Many other things change too so climate change is a lot broader term for this.
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by strbean on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:37PM (#32844985)
"Anthropogenic climate change at a rate that humans and/or natural systems can't cope with" just isn't as catchy.
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by otikik on Thursday September 15, 2022 @04:36AM (#32848957)
Weather changes. Climate is the accumulated average across years. It’s “yesterday it rained here” vs “we got an average of x litters of water per square meter during this month in the last ten years”. Climate changes, but by its own nature it should change really gradually.

The point is that weather is changing so much that even climate is changing quickly now. Or, in a car metaphor: not only our velocity is increasing, our acceleration is also increasing m.

I think a stronger word like “climate emergency” would have been more appropriate.

Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by otikik on Thursday September 15, 2022 @04:37AM (#32848961)
Weather changes. Climate is the accumulated average across years. It’s “yesterday it rained here” vs “we got an average of x litters of water per square meter during this month in the last ten years”. Climate changes, but by its own nature it should change really gradually.

The point is that weather is changing so much that even climate is changing quickly now. Or, in a car metaphor: not only our velocity is increasing, our acceleration is also increasing.

I think a stronger word like “climate emergency” would have been more appropriate.

Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by int_19h on Thursday September 15, 2022 @12:40AM (#32847122)
Overall temperature increase is the part that is most directly caused by our activities, and which in turn causes all those other changes, so I think it's fair to emphasize that.
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by hmlongco on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @09:45PM (#32846006)
Weather changes. It's when enough weather changes that the overall climate changes where we begin to have issues.
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by e9 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @10:02PM (#32846128)
Too subjective. Objectively climate has always been changing and will always be changing. Earth has seen much warmer climate and much colder climate and everything in between since formation. Your definition of issues don’t really make sense unless it’s subjective because objectively climate change is just is, not good not bad, just fact and consequence of complicated system. Even in the past many centuries, if you look at history, plenty of empires fell because of climate change(floods, droughts, etc). We are accelerating the change but it would still be changing even if we didn’t exist.
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by Mildlypolite on Thursday September 15, 2022 @12:39PM (#32854618)
Well, the problem is that we are accelerating so much that adaptation from living beings is not possible.

Not a small problem,you know...

Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by orwin on Thursday September 15, 2022 @06:00AM (#32849516)
But 'drift' carries the idea that 2021 climate is already gone, and that we won't get it back anytime soon.

'change' doesn't carry this idea at all. Anyway, global warming was more descriptive, thus better to me.