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Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by xmonkee on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @05:39PM (#32843750)
That's interesting, I wouldn't have made the distinction. I'm not even sure there is a distinction (climate change is by far the greatest threat to the environment). What are your personal views on climate change, if you don't mind me asking?
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by oliwary on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @06:35PM (#32844370)
Not OP, but I think there are very important environmental impacts that are not related to climate change. Take, for example, plastic in the sea - clearly a big issue for the environment, but addressing climate change will not impact this at all.

Other examples include destruction of habitats, NO2 in the air, dumping waste in nature and rivers, lead that gets into nature etc.

Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by rch on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:58PM (#32845155)
I've found that 'climate change' activism leads with wealth redistribution, social justice, and even socialism in a general sense. Biodiversity activism, on the other hand, tends to organize around reducing anthropogenic sources of CO2/CH4, establishing wildlife corridors, protecting watersheds, and so forth.

Both are valid and there's obviously a lot of welcome, positive alignment.

Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by zeckalpha on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @11:08PM (#32846500)
How are sea microplastics and climate change not related? Both involve fossil fuel materials being left somewhere they shouldn't when we are "done" with them.
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by Ma8ee on Thursday September 15, 2022 @02:12AM (#32847779)
In one case the fossil fuels contribute to climate change, in the other case it doesn’t.
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by zeckalpha on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:21AM (#32862037)
Let me say that again: why don't you think the plastics are changing the climate?
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by Ma8ee on Monday September 19, 2022 @03:02AM (#32895183)
Because as long as you don't burn them, they don't release any gases that contribute to the greenhouse effect. Could you explain any mechanism that make plastics in nature contribute to the climate catastrophe?
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by stuaxo on Thursday September 15, 2022 @09:36AM (#32851720)
They are both under a broader banner of pollution.
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by Ma8ee on Thursday September 15, 2022 @04:18PM (#32857925)
And?
Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by jhugo on Thursday September 15, 2022 @12:52AM (#32847189)
> climate change is by far the greatest threat to the environment

The effects of climate change will be uneven across humanity, and many of the worst effects might be second-order (e.g. instability caused by mass migration).

There are other types of environmental change, like accumulation of so-called "forever chemicals", which have the potential to have a more direct effect on the entire human population, and potentially over a shorter time period than climate change. It's not clear to me that climate change is the greatest threat we face.

Re:Patagonia founder gives away the company by patcon on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @08:05PM (#32845221)
Not OP, but was glad they piped up :)

My vague concern is that overly emphasizing "climate change" means all these brains are thinking on just one small bit of surface of this larger project. We talk a ton about carbon because it's the tangible thing that brownian motions equally through the atmosphere and we can undeniably quantify, but the whole ship leaks across a number of dimensions. We need eyes and minds on all the little edges of the larger wicked problem: both convincing and creating fellow humans that we can be happy and healthy without unconstrained growth. There's a lot of baggage to work through.

The sheer eighth grade math of it is that we can't be anything but cancer or conquerors (at whatever scale) unless we get that under control on this finite planet <3