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Re:Why car wheels are so flat these days by whiplash451 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:34AM (#32835726)
Not a mechanical engineer. This design is interesting. Do you think regulation is the only reason this did not happen yet? Why is nobody building this otherwise?
Re:Why car wheels are so flat these days by londons_explore on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:52AM (#32835870)
The main reasons against this are:

* Regulation. Plenty of countries are very specific about the exact mechanicals of brakes, in laws that are 100+ years old from when runaway cars killed people.

* Unsprung mass. Cars handle better if the wheels are very light and all heavy bits are in the body of the car.

* Large diameter motors are harder to design - there is no opportunity for a gearbox, so you lose one design parameter, and need the motor magnetics to be right around the rim of the wheel to make up for it.

* Difficulty of making the air gap within the motor very thin at such large diameters - you end up needing super large diameter roller bearings.

However, I think despite those downsides, the benefits outweigh them.

Re:Why car wheels are so flat these days by meragrin_ on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @08:08AM (#32836015)
What about potholes? Wouldn't they lead to the premature death of the motors if not the wheels themselves?
Re:Why car wheels are so flat these days by wrycoder on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @08:32AM (#32836228)
Also, more exposed to salt spray than inboard motors.
Re:Why car wheels are so flat these days by sdk16420 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @10:10AM (#32837449)
Drum brakes are in the same spot and can last for the life of the vehicle.
Re:Why car wheels are so flat these days by wrycoder on Thursday September 15, 2022 @08:26PM (#32860353)
You've not maintained drum brakes in New England, I guess. Not as finicky as calipers, but the cylinders do rust and fail.
Re:Why car wheels are so flat these days by orangepurple on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @08:34AM (#32836255)
That's how they will make money after their current golden goose, automatic transmissions with "lifetime oil changes," is exhausted.
Re:Why car wheels are so flat these days by bradfa on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:55AM (#32835898)
2 main reasons I can think of (tl;dr: cost):

1. Braking generates a LOT of energy which needs to be sent somewhere very quickly. Each wheel might need to dissipate hundreds of kW of power, simultaneously, on-demand, at any time in normal situations where mechanical brakes function fine today. This is not inexpensive.

2. Today, most EVs do not have 1 motor per wheel, which would be almost surely required to implement this type of system effectively. That's also not inexpensive and unless you can actually put the motor in the wheel-area you still need an axle to connect the motor to the wheel due to the suspension and steering movement, and then that axle would need to be able to sustain these braking forces.

It surely could be done from an engineering point of view today, it's just going to add tremendous cost over using conventional mechanical brakes regardless of if those brakes are a traditional hydraulic type or if they're a brake by wire system.

Re:Why car wheels are so flat these days by analog31 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @08:17AM (#32836085)
I suspect vibration, and the need for 4 motors instead of 1. I'll bet it'll be a long time before motors are cheaper than brakes. Also, braking involves a lot more torque than accelerating or cruising.
Re:Why car wheels are so flat these days by btbuildem on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @11:22AM (#32838481)
I think having one motor per wheel is very useful in terms of all-wheel drive (and braking) -- being able to selectively apply varied amounts of power to each wheel depending on conditions.

Not sure I'm convinced by the torque claim -- we've seen cars skidding / losing traction in both scenarios (accelerating and braking). ABS brakes were developed specifically to prevent that (and so was Traction Control).

My experience with electric vehicles is limited to a Boosted longboard, so take this with a grain of sand -- but it seems to me that electric motors are as effective at braking as they are at accelerating.

Re:Why car wheels are so flat these days by analog31 on Thursday September 15, 2022 @06:35PM (#32859310)
I'm thinking in terms of f=ma, or the equivalent in terms of torque. I can live with my car getting up to highway speed within a much longer time duration than how quickly it needs to slow down if I hit the brakes. So the brakes need to exert more torque on the wheels than the motor does.

Putting a motor on each wheel could have some performance benefits, but I'm not sure I'd pay for it if I could get a single-motor car for cheaper. I'm talking about "econo box" performance, which is all I want anyway.