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Re:Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff by behnamoh on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:20PM (#32827322)
> but in fact to succeed in those spaces needs very hard work.

But that doesn't make it a job. You could do hard work in moving a mountain but that's not a job.

Needless to say, earning money off of your looks (something you didn't work hard to gain in the first place) doesn't qualify as hard-working job.

Re:Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff by skyyler on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:39PM (#32827640)
>Needless to say, earning money off of your looks (something you didn't work hard to gain in the first place) doesn't qualify as hard-working job.

Even if you're very conventionally attractive, you need to put in a lot of networking and marketing before you can make money off of "your looks". Even then, you don't just sit back and let your looks do everything.

Porn stars generally spend a couple hours DAILY in the gym. Then there's all of the events you have to do to remain relevant in social circles. Then there's actual shooting. But before that there's hair and makeup. Then there's outfits. Selecting garments that match your personal style and also are sexy enough to excite your fans isn't easy and it usually isn't cheap.

Going through all of that to get paid by the fans is absolutely a job. If the fans didn't pay, it wouldn't be a job.

Re:Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff by DrBoring on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @02:01PM (#32827989)
> earning money off of your looks I'm assuming your taking about the sex workers of OnlyFans. I find your attitudes a bit dismissive and offensive. These are real humans with real feelings that you're talking about with such little regard.

Plus, I earn money off of my natural intelligence. I didn't do anything to gain it in the first place, I just happened to have intelligent parents.

> doesn't qualify as hard-working job

Two questions:

1. Why doesn't it qualify as a job if they are earning income?

2. Why should someone have to "work hard" to earn a living? If have a high-value easy-to-sell product, then why work harder than you need to?

Re:Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff by Scarjit on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:28PM (#32827470)
If you get paid moving that mountain, it would be a job.
Re:Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff by ranma4703 on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:39PM (#32827645)
It takes a LOT of work to "earn a living off your looks"

Ignoring the time spent setting up shoots, editing, engagement, etc, and focusing just on "looks", you have to spend a lot of time on working out, make up, shaving, putting together outfits, etc.

If you think that looking good is something that doesn't take any hard work, it's because you've never tried to put in that work yourself.

Re:Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff by behnamoh on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:51PM (#32827860)
Anything you do to make yourself look good has only incremental effect; you must already have a "good" foundation (genetics, race, etc.)

An African American woman, for example, has almost zero chance of making it to the top 10 p$rnstars list, no matter how much she put effort and time to prepare herself.

Some things are just the realities of the world. Thinking otherwise makes you delusional.

Re:Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff by mrtranscendence on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @02:49PM (#32828625)
What are you responding to? (I feel like I'm asking this a lot here.) The comment to which you're apparently responding was only saying that it takes a lot of work to make a living off of your looks; they were silent on whether you need to have good genetics, the correct skin color, or anything else.
Re:Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff by throwaway675309 on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @04:25PM (#32829750)
"earning money off of your looks (something you didn't work hard to gain in the first place) ....."

If you have a cognitive aptitude for mathematics, you didn't "earn" that either - everything in some way or another is part of your birthright and privilege, both nature and nurture.

If you genuinely believe that the mind is somehow magically distinct from the same genetic system that gave you your physique, I'm afraid you're the delusional one.

Re:Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff by eganist on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:32PM (#32827523)
> But that doesn't make it a job. You could do hard work in moving a mountain but that's not a job.

Job (n):

1. a paid position of regular employment.

2. a task or piece of work, especially one that is paid.

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It seems to fit #2 perfectly (exhibiting to an audience), and #1 can be met based on e.g corporate structure (subscription pay into an LLC that normalizes the salary etc)

I'd argue that it's in fact potentially "skilled labor" in that it's not obvious what it takes to produce content that brings regular subscribers. Tons of adult content creators burn out and pivot because they can't get traction.

Re:Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff by unity1001 on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:58PM (#32827944)
> But that doesn't make it a job. You could do hard work in moving a mountain but that's not a job.

If people are willingly paying you to do something, that's a good job as any other job.

Re:Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff by hellomyguys on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:47PM (#32827786)
What a very bizarre definition of a job