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Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by blamarvt on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @10:26AM (#32824689)
And nothing makes your heart sink faster than the rhythmic sound of trying over and over to read the same bad disk.
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by nine_k on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @10:36AM (#32824822)
The wisdom of 1990s was that if you have one copy of data on your disk, you may as well have zero copies.

It became more pronounced in late 1990s when disks became more ubiquitous and the race for the lower price likely made them less reliable.

After that the idea of backing things up, no matter where they are recorded initially, feels very natural.

Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by Tijdreiziger on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @11:50AM (#32825900)
That's still the wisdom.

The 3-2-1 backup rule: keep at least 3 copies of your data on at least 2 storage media, and keep at least 1 copy offsite.

Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by vardump on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @11:32AM (#32825631)
> The wisdom of 1990s was that if you have one copy of data on your disk, you may as well have zero copies.

Still true.

Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by daveslash on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @03:28PM (#32829131)
Along similar lines: If you haven't tested or dry-run your restore procedures, you may as well not have backups either.

That applies more for things like SQL databases and the like, more than personal files on disk. But yeah.... if you haven't tried to restore your database or other data repository from a backup file that you've squirreled away, then you effectively don't have a backup either.

Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by noizejoy on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @06:33PM (#32831027)
I’d slightly amend the analogy into “an untested backup is akin to having a lottery ticket for your backups”. Maybe you win or maybe you don’t.

Old floppies are also like lottery tickets in that sense.

Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by myth_drannon on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @11:09AM (#32825300)
Once my family drove to visit my cousins. I brought a newly bought box of floppies just in case they had some interesting things to copy from... and forgot it in the car with summer heatwave outside. It was a very painful lesson, so many badblocks.
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by bornfreddy on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @12:29PM (#32826506)
I didn't know the temperature mattered?

Otherwise with new floppies I always reformatted and checked for bad blocks first. Some of the series were very bad quality.

Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by myth_drannon on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:54PM (#32827894)
nah, some just melted. It was on the front seat with no shadow in Israeli +40C degrees heat.
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by deltarholamda on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @12:32PM (#32826550)
This, and the click of death coming from a Zip disk that meant 100MB of Something Important had just entered Valhalla.
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by JohnTHaller on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @11:51AM (#32825914)
Especially post-pandemic when most of the stuff in the theater is dead and there's only a single backup of the lighting board programming on a 3.5" floppy with a broken dust protector. Manually spinning it and blowing the dust out brought it back enough to save it after our first improv jam that took place with fluorescents on for the first 15 minutes while I manually programmed a single wash on a dimmer.
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by flotzam on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @10:54AM (#32825065)
ddrescue trying to read a scratched DVD from a public library comes close. Horrifying sounds as you contemplate your drive wearing itself down, copy progress ETA 47:32:13
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by amatecha on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @06:57PM (#32831218)
The secret for scratched CDs/DVDs I learned way too late in the game was that you can actually polish the clear plastic underside with Brasso (brass polish) and a lens cloth. I restored sooo many optical discs this way. It really works!
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by gildas on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @11:07AM (#32825273)
At that moment, I took the knife next to the computer to insert gently the blade into the drive above the diskette. It worked most of the time :p.
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by drewzero1 on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @12:07PM (#32826154)
Glad to hear I'm not the only one who routinely stabbed my computer! I used to keep a butter knife by my iMac to help eject CDs. I had the first slot-loading model and the rubber eject rollers they used seemed to lose their grip after a while.
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by Centmo on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @12:58PM (#32826976)
Especially when you're on floppy #25 of OS/2 Warp.
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by stordoff on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @05:14PM (#32830252)
I recall installing Office from ~35 floppy discs, and finding that one of the discs in the 20s was unreadable after what felt like an eternity. The installation still completed after I skipped it though, so presumably it only contained some optional feature I never ended up using.
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by forinti on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:09PM (#32827141)
A friend of mine had his first job installing Oracle from floppies. I'm not sure what the actual count was, but we would joke about him installing disk 1 of 99...
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by bluedino on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @03:21PM (#32829049)
First job I had was installing SCO off tapes and that was the year 2000
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by dugmartin on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @03:16PM (#32828985)
Thanks, that brought back a vivid memory I didn't even know was still knocking around my brain!
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by noizejoy on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @06:37PM (#32831061)
Or floppy #10 of Mark of the Unicorn’s DAW.

Nervous times they were!

Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by JKCalhoun on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @10:59AM (#32825156)
Yeah, that, "Any second it will give up and shoot the disk back out" thought.
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by thesuitonym on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @11:41AM (#32825761)
tik tik tik tik tik
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by rawoke083600 on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @12:07PM (#32826158)
That 'stutter-of-failure' :D
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by throwaway742 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @05:16AM (#32834851)
Abort, Retry, Fail?
Re:The last person standing in the floppy disk business by Gibbon1 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @05:26AM (#32834899)
With CP/M if you left the door open all your work was lost like tears in the rain.