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Re:Jean-Luc Godard has died by kome on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @07:31AM (#32822949)
Italian Neo-realism predates French New Wave.
Re:Jean-Luc Godard has died by coldtea on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @09:22AM (#32823912)
It does, but it has little to do with the kind of cinema of New Wave, or the later 60s-70s cinema in America.
Re:Jean-Luc Godard has died by klik99 on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @08:19AM (#32823338)
True, but I believe italian neorealism didn't have international reach until fellini - outside of influencing french new wave which went on to popularize (within the art community at least) those ideas. French New Wave also paired it with new editing and cinematography techniques that made it all work together.

Edit: I had originally prefaced this with "I'm not a scholar" but forgot to readd it - the responses below invalidate most of what I said, but leaving the comment so their responses make sense - though I still stand by the lesser version of what I said - that Godard had a bigger impact on American cinema than pre-Fellini Italian Neorealism, and that parts of italian film influenced Godard.

Re:Jean-Luc Godard has died by l33tbro on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @09:21AM (#32823907)
The French New Wave were all too different to generalise like this. Godard and Rohmer (or Resnais) could't be more different really.

It was actually the previous generation of French directors that they were all reacting against - who were making somewhat pretentious literary adaptation films. You can read about it in Truffaut's 1954 essay 'A certain tendency in the french cinema'.

Neorealism was actually a fairly minor influence - as none of the new wave directors were social realists. But older, maverick French directors like Bresson and Melville were much more influential, as it was their freewheeling sensibility which united all the new wave directors and sent them hurtling off in different directions.

Re:Jean-Luc Godard has died by klik99 on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @10:12AM (#32824517)
Yeah, it's hard to talk about French New Wave as a cohesive set, since it was so reactionary - I still see influences from earlier italian neorealism in Godard, in the street view slice of life shots and focus on regular people throughout Breathless
Re:Jean-Luc Godard has died by carlob on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @09:55AM (#32824327)
Not sure I agree De Sica's Sciuscià (Shoeshine) won a Honorary Academy Award in 1947, which then became the Academy Award for the Best Foreign Language Film. In other words it was so influential that it ended up defining its own category at the Oscars.
Re:Jean-Luc Godard has died by klik99 on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @10:15AM (#32824559)
I am wrong about that then, but I was talking more about influence on American films - I haven't seen any Sciuscia so I don't know if that went on to influence american films in the same way that godard did later.
Re:Jean-Luc Godard has died by achairapart on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @12:10PM (#32826206)
It goes in waves back and forth from Europe to Usa and back again:

40s: Italian Neo-realism

50s: Hollywood Golden Era

60s: French new wave

70s: New Hollywood

Somehow every wave greatly inspired the next one.

Re:Jean-Luc Godard has died by paganel on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:02PM (#32827048)
There’s also the Japanese New Wave somewhere in there (the ‘50s and ‘60s) which also had a very great influence.

Me, personally, I’d also put the 1960s-1970s wuxia films from Hong Kong in a list of “stuff that has changed movie history for good”.

Re:Jean-Luc Godard has died by achairapart on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:27PM (#32827458)
Of course, the list wasn't exhaustive. Asian cinema also had a great influence again in the 90s/00s.
Re:Jean-Luc Godard has died by paganel on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @02:47PM (#32828593)
For sure, to this day I’m mesmerized by a few Tsui Hark movies from that era, even though I saw them 15+ years ago. Pure art of fluid movement, for lack of a better expression.