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Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by stjohnswarts on Monday September 12, 2022 @09:19PM (#32819618)
I don't get this, it's not like the king of england has any real power. I know it's a waste of tax money but the US governments wastes tax money all day long too, as do all governments on pork projects and subsidies.
Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by chasil on Monday September 12, 2022 @09:33PM (#32819739)
Au contraire.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/09/queens-conse...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/08/queen-...

"Queen’s consent is a procedural rule, internal to the workings of parliament and of unclear origins, which requires the monarch’s consent to be obtained for certain types of legislation – before they can be presented for final approval by either house of parliament."

Also note that the Crown appoints new members to the House of Lords. This includes the supreme court of Great Britain, all members of which trace their seat to a Crown appointment at some past time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Lords

"Prime Minister Charles Grey, 2nd Earl Grey advised the King to overwhelm opposition to the bill in the House of Lords by creating about 80 new pro-Reform peers."

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by nly on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @02:29AM (#32821223)
The Wikipedia page mentions that Kings Consent is a matter of parliamentary procedure and can be abolished with the stroke of a pen.

It's just a courtesy to save face for the Monarchy.

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by MagnumOpus on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @03:51AM (#32821658)
Sure, and the monarchy could be abolished by a simple parliamentary vote, and the weekly meetings where the PM briefs the monarch on anything that could hurt the latters financial interests could be abolished even more easily.

Except the monarch is a billionaire with power over even more money and public opinion and elected representatives are rightfully afraid of the monarchy's well funded and well oiled propaganda machine being turned against them.

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by morelisp on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @10:59AM (#32825148)
The monarchy never tried to help me save face, why build entire government processes which do nothing but that for them?
Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by cpleppert on Monday September 12, 2022 @10:14PM (#32820010)
Kings/Queens consent is for legislation affecting the royal household. Parliament is not bound by the monarch's consent in any case.

Every appointed member of the house of lords and the supreme court is appointed on the advice of the prime minister and cabinet.

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by chasil on Monday September 12, 2022 @10:28PM (#32820080)
I daresay you are a royalist.

"We now know there has been a persistent practice of applying those criteria so broadly that significant amounts of legislation regulating otherwise quite ordinary activities have required consent. The Queen pays tax, so (for example) finance laws require consent. The Queen is an employer, so (for example) child support and pensions laws require consent. And so on. Quite superficial connections to the interests of the crown are sufficient to trigger the Queen’s involvement.

"Even less information has been available on the substance of the process once triggered. All correspondence containing requests for consent, replies and the documentation of any related discussions have always been shrouded in absolute privacy. The only clue to their existence is the routine formulaic confirmation in parliament whenever consent has been given, which reveals nothing about the process through which that consent was secured. So it has been impossible to ascertain whether this is an essentially symbolic process, comparable with royal assent and perhaps justifiable as symbolically acknowledging the Queen as a formal part of the legislature; or whether it provided (or had the potential to be used as) a genuine opportunity for the Queen to veto legislation or influence policy.

"But it is now clear this process is far from merely symbolic. The documents uncovered by the Guardian provide remarkable evidence that this process accords the Queen’s advisers a genuine opportunity to negotiate with the government over changes in proposed laws, that they do sometimes secure such changes before giving consent, and that they are even prepared to threaten to withhold consent to secure their policy preferences."

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by mrcsd on Monday September 12, 2022 @10:43PM (#32820145)
All of the crown's powers can be changed or removed by parliament, the recent Prorogation of Parliament [0] case saw the supreme court of the UK reaffirm the "sovereignty of Parliament". So the (valid) issues with consent you are raising should be taken up with your local MP, since the power of conset is based upon the power of the UK's democratically elected body. By the by, I daresay I'm not a royalist.

[0]: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/decision-of-the-supreme...

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by chasil on Monday September 12, 2022 @10:51PM (#32820186)
I work in Iowa. I am not a British citizen.

"Since 1999, however, no further reform has taken place. The Wakeham Commission proposed introducing a 20% elected element to the Lords, but this plan was widely criticised. A parliamentary Joint Committee was established in 2001 to resolve the issue, but it reached no conclusion and instead gave Parliament seven options to choose from (fully appointed, 20% elected, 40% elected, 50% elected, 60% elected, 80% elected, and fully elected). In a confusing series of votes in February 2003, all of these options were defeated, although the 80% elected option fell by just three votes in the Commons. Socialist MPs favouring outright abolition voted against all the options."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Lords

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by cpleppert on Monday September 12, 2022 @10:48PM (#32820173)
I would think that a head of state with substantial assets administered by the government and a massive public subsidy for the royal family would be in a position to lobby the government. The ruling party in the UK at the moment is pretty favorable to the monarchy so it isn't surprising they would provide the monarch with some ability to lobby the government.

I'm not a royalist or British but I would be more concerned about the financial subsidy and the ruling party's deference to the monarchy than the theoretical possibility of them witholding consent. It isn't much of a negotiation if one side can immediately win though right? The prime minister can just threaten to go public that he can't obtain consent and the monarch has to back down immediately.

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by 13of40 on Monday September 12, 2022 @10:14PM (#32820012)
The king of England can't be arrested or sued, so that puts a huge amount of asymmetry into this situation. You get arrested for shouting during his parade, but he could (and please anyone, correct me if I'm wrong) shoot you in Trafalgar Square and get away with it.
Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by illiac786 on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @02:38AM (#32821272)
Define “get away with it”. I sincerely doubt there wouldn’t be dire consequences for him and I am convinced he would have to subsequently abdicate.

But prison might not be in it for him, that I agree. Or some very special prison.

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by colejohnson66 on Monday September 12, 2022 @11:53PM (#32820489)
Many people believe Princess Diana was murdered. If she was, there’s literally jack squat that could be done about it. What are they gonna do? Arrest the Queen?
Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by xani_ on Monday September 12, 2022 @09:44PM (#32819809)
The whole monarch clowfest does bring tourism in so it might be not complete waste of tax money
Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by quibono on Monday September 12, 2022 @10:02PM (#32819932)
I've heard that many times but I've always wondered whether is is a net positive given all the tax spending that goes towards the royal family. I guess we'll never know since it's impossible to tell exactly how much tourism is in part based on the queen/king/monarchy sentiment.
Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by opportune on Monday September 12, 2022 @10:15PM (#32820013)
It ignores the fact that the royal family owns a tremendous amount of assets that are not directly used in tourism or used by the state. And that they live off those taxes and spending.

If the UK abolished the monarchy, tourism attractions like Westminster and the Crown Jewels would still exist

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by nly on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @02:32AM (#32821239)
Is 20 odd billion £ really a tremendous amount of assets when the government can magic up 150 billion on a whim to cap energy bills?

It's peanuts in the scheme of things. The royal family aren't even that rich amongst the billion class in the US.

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by MagnumOpus on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @03:59AM (#32821701)
> 20 odd billion £ really a tremendous amount of assets

yes

> government can magic up 150 billion

that is also a tremendous amount which the next British generations will labour decades to pay off, just so today's pensioners can heat their homes to the 25C they are used to, and still have their ski outings in Zermatt.

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by sofixa on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @05:19AM (#32822120)
> that is also a tremendous amount which the next British generations will labour decades to pay off, just so today's pensioners can heat their homes to the 25C they are used to, and still have their ski outings in Zermatt.

It is a tremendous amount indeed, but i don't know why you think it's only pensioners and skiers who would benefit from not having to choose between food and energy.

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by toomanybeersies on Monday September 12, 2022 @10:21PM (#32820046)
Imagine the money they'd make if they turned Buckingham Palace into a hotel.
Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by toomanybeersies on Monday September 12, 2022 @10:18PM (#32820039)
The king is paid from earnings generated by the Crown Estate [0], which is basically a state owned property investment fund. From my understanding, taxpayer money hasn't been used to fund the monarchy since the 1700s.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Estate

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by darkr on Monday September 12, 2022 @10:33PM (#32820100)
The sovereign grant currently running around £90M/year: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Grant_Act_2011
Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by wheelinsupial on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @12:04AM (#32820543)
By no means am I an expert on this, but it looks like the sovereign grant is a tax refund paid to the crown from the taxes that the Crown Estate pays.

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-57559653.amp

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by MagnumOpus on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @04:01AM (#32821712)
The sovereign grant is paid to the Windsor family, not the Crown.

It is important to distinguish the "Crown" (essentially the monarchy-as-government) and the queens' family and hangers-on...

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by nly on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @02:35AM (#32821255)
It's peanuts though? I mean that's about 1000 well paid London software engineers paying their typical income tax.
Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by bundze on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @02:08AM (#32821119)
France has abolished monarchy yet people still come to visit Versailles.
Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by lern_too_spel on Monday September 12, 2022 @10:29PM (#32820082)
If you voted in a new royal family who had to consent to a reality TV show, you would get a lot more tourism. I hear the Osbournes are back in town.