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Re:Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorde... by nico on Monday September 12, 2022 @06:57PM (#32818373)
Recently attended a lecture on Cannabis by a renowned researcher on the subject (the Director of the UCLA Center for Cannabis & Cannabinoids)

The most adverse (proven) effects of Cannabis are:

* Frequent bronchitis (for people that smoke it)

* Risk of vehicle crashes

* Low pregnancy weight, preterm birth, NICU

* Mental health (associated risk of schizophrenia, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, Cannabis use disorder)

* Impaired learning, memory, attention

* Drug-drug interaction (mostly for CBD - liver toxicity)

That’s the complete slide. Not once in the whole lecture were heart rate issues mentioned or asked about by the attendees.

As you can see, there are plenty of adverse effects, but heart-related issues are not one of the main concerns.

Do you have any sources for the research you mention and how concerning it is?

Re:Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorde... by scythe on Monday September 12, 2022 @07:53PM (#32818942)
Bronchitis? I've known a lot of marijuana smokers, and I don't recall any of them ever having bronchitis.

>Mental health (associated risk of schizophrenia, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, Cannabis use disorder)

Small but >1 ORs for a rare disorder like schizophrenia (base rate ~0.02%) sound scarier than they really are. Many recreational activities are associated with a similar increase in the risk of concussion (base rate ~1%), and yet they are actually recommended for general health. Correlation of recreational drug use with depression/anxiety has a causal direction problem.

Others in this thread have linked studies about the effects on the heart. It remains to be seen what the long-term risk profile is.

Re:Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorde... by tsol on Monday September 12, 2022 @07:35PM (#32818789)
There's some evidence to point that heart issues are more common in marijuana smokers.

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/04/marijuana-hea....

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2021/11/08/cannabis-use-disord...

Re:Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorde... by snarfy on Monday September 12, 2022 @08:16PM (#32819136)
That might be the complete slide but it is not the complete picture. This disorder for example causes pretty extreme digestive issues, and it has not been in the medical literature for very long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_hyperemesis_syndro...

Re:Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorde... by sigstoat on Monday September 12, 2022 @07:15PM (#32818588)
some haphazardly chosen references from a 2013 bibliography on the subject, compiled by someone who probably doesn't want her name showing up in an internet forum.

Aryana A, Williams MA. Marijuana as trigger of cardiovascular events: speculation or scientific certainty? Int J Cardiol 2007;118:141-4. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ijcard.2006.08.001

Bachs L, Morland H. Acute cardiovascular fatalities following cannabis use. Forensic Sci Int 2001;124:200-3.

Cappelli F, Lazzeri C, Gensini GF, Valente S. Cannabis: a trigger for acute myocardial infarction? A case report. J Cardiovasc Med 2008;9:725-728.

Jones RT. Cardiovascular system effects of marijuana. J Clin Pharmacol 2002; 42(11 Suppl.):58S-63.

Sidney S. Cardiovascular consequences of marijuana use. J Clin Pharmacol 2002;42(11 Suppl.):64S-70S. (Found no association.)

Tormey WP. Royal College of Pathologists’ autopsy guidelines on sudden cardiac death: roles for cannabis, cotinine, NSAIDs and psychology. J Clin Pathol 2012;65:187-188.

so there's a starting place to look into it.

maybe the intervening 9 years have demonstrated that it isn't an issue.

Re:Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorde... by fsociety on Monday September 12, 2022 @10:55PM (#32820202)
I am skeptical about this researcher as it does not mention decreased gut motility and CHS in rare instances.
Re:Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorde... by ch4s3 on Monday September 12, 2022 @07:24PM (#32818679)
> Frequent bronchitis (for people that smoke it)

Yep breathing combustion products is pretty bad for you.

> Risk of vehicle crashes

I'm not aware of any proponents of driving while high.

> Low pregnancy weight, preterm birth, NICU

Again, who's advocating for pregnant women to consume cannabis?

> Mental health (associated risk of schizophrenia, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, Cannabis use disorder)

I think this is only for those already genetically predisposed to developing schizophrenia.

> Impaired learning, memory, attention

I'm not sure anyone thinks you should smoke a bunch of drugs before studying for finals.

Just for an ounce of perspective here.

Re:Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorde... by brigandish on Monday September 12, 2022 @08:19PM (#32819168)
> I'm not aware of any proponents of driving while high.

> Again, who's advocating for pregnant women to consume cannabis?

I thought the comment was making clear what was considered a risk, not what is being advocated? People certainly do drive while under the effects of cannabis, I've known a few. I don't know anyone who consumed it while pregnant but I'm sure they do exist.

> I'm not sure anyone thinks you should smoke a bunch of drugs before studying for finals.

Again, I know people who've done this.

Re:Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorde... by ch4s3 on Monday September 12, 2022 @09:40PM (#32819786)
I think I mistook the intent of the original post.
Re:Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorde... by brigandish on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @12:03AM (#32820537)
Fair enough
Re:Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorde... by RHSman2 on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @11:19AM (#32825451)
Ounce. Touché