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Re:The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of dig... by ajdegol on Monday September 12, 2022 @03:44PM (#32815797)
I am curious, I’ve seen several people recently quite proud they cause environmental harm.

I can understand ignorance, I can get you believe something contrary; I just can’t fathom why you’re pleased that you’re actively causing harm for the planet we all live on.

Re:The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of dig... by endtime on Monday September 12, 2022 @03:46PM (#32815824)
My guess is that it's less about the environmental harm, and more about spiting preachy evangelists.
Re:The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of dig... by hombre_fatal on Monday September 12, 2022 @05:01PM (#32816914)
Dunno, the top level comments to studies like this (like the current thread) are often preachy, defensive posts about keeping meat in their diet despite TFA.

People like lashing out to defend their world view.

Re:The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of dig... by aunty_helen on Monday September 12, 2022 @04:12PM (#32816225)
It's not a pride thing, entropy increases with all life.

Does eating meat make any kind of significant difference for me or my footprint? Probably not significantly. Do I want to live gen-less and eat beans and rice? No.

I should also mention, apparently mossy earth plants a tree or two for me each month. Perhaps you'd like to join them in offsetting your lifestyle (whatever that may be).

Re:The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of dig... by drekk on Monday September 12, 2022 @08:00PM (#32819013)
Eating meat is the second largest contribution to lifestyle emissions generally after having children. It takes a thousand gallons of water to produce a typical burger patty. You can have as many of those in the desert as you'd like. Heck, we even grow the alfalfa to feed those cows in the desert.

People act like going vegetarian is some giant sacrifice. It's not that hard. Westerners just view it as poor people stuff. If you want meat to be a luxury so bad then let's cut the subsidies and see what the real cost of it is when you factor in the actual impact.

Re:The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of dig... by aunty_helen on Monday September 12, 2022 @08:16PM (#32819138)
Very American centric farming practices and concerns you have. Not everywhere grows 2 acres of corn to feed to livestock.

I grew up on a farm in New Zealand, water is plentiful, cows eat grass and are calved on milk that for one reason or another would be wasted otherwise. Processing of the meat was done in the paddock by a home kill butcher.

In the same way people like going on cruises but don’t worry about how much bunker fuel it burns, I like eating meat and will continue to do so.

If you want to be vegetarian great, but I’m making a lifestyle choice that I’ll eat meat because I enjoy it and all of the dishes that can’t be made without it.

Re:The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of dig... by neuralRiot on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @02:20AM (#32821172)
See my “box” above and all its content, I’ll summarize

-“I only eat meat/eggs/milk from my uncle’s farm”

- “I only eat what I hunt, kill, fish, trap, find”

- “Plants have feelings too!”

- “Studies are not conclusive/improperly done/biased/too old”

- “I love meat”

-“Lab meat is the future”

- “ But mice/bees/small animals/ butterflies/ bedbugs in fields”

- “Plant based diets are elitist”

- “Protein tho”

- “B12 tho”

- “A friend of the brother of the neighbor of my dentist ended in the hospital after trying to be vegan for 6 hours.”

After being vegan for 10+ years I’ve heard everything, you know what all sounds to me? “I don’t care enough to make the slightest effort”.

Re:The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of dig... by aunty_helen on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @08:33AM (#32823450)
Yes I see you offering a lot of “content” while selectively engaging with people. The equivalent of running up to someone shouting your viewpoint and then moving on the to next victim.

The thing that seems to be escaping you is that others have different value systems and desires.

So I’ll agree with you, as per your definition, people don’t care enough about what you care about to put effort in to align themselves the way you have aligned.

Re:The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of dig... by neuralRiot on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @11:49AM (#32825882)
I'd like to offer a lecture on why I do what I do, but the nature of the medium forces me to engage with different people at different paces, I do so only to clear misconceptions that have been so entrenched ad parroted that everyone assume as truths without taking time to verify if they actually hold any ground. As for "what I care about", it's simply the respect to other species, we've been feed an individualistic concept of life that might be pleasurable in the short run but, as you might have probably noticed in the environmental effects, and the general destruction of our world, is not very wise for the future of our species.
Re:The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of dig... by scns on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @05:11AM (#32822071)
Animals have to be fed B12 for the meat to contain any. They bacteria who provided it have been killed off by industrial farming practices.
Re:The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of dig... by mrelectric on Monday September 12, 2022 @03:47PM (#32815839)
I just really like meat.
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Re:The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of dig... by plonk on Monday September 12, 2022 @04:23PM (#32816374)
I don't understand why every discussion about climate change ends up with this comment. We know, the rock and the bacteria will be fine, that's obviously not what people worry about. We care about the Earth because it sustains us.
Re:The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of dig... by ohCh6zos on Monday September 12, 2022 @03:48PM (#32815854)
Eating meat is part of the good and moral life, and while we need to take care of the planet we need to preserve the good.
Re:The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of dig... by AlexandrB on Monday September 12, 2022 @04:27PM (#32816423)
Can you elaborate on why eating meat specifically is good and moral?
Re:The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of dig... by ohCh6zos on Monday September 12, 2022 @07:02PM (#32818446)
I should start this by saying I don't support forcing anyone to do anything they don't want to, and for environmental reasons I very rarely eat meat.

That being said I believe everyone aught to eat at least a little meat because we are omnivores and it is advantageous for us to be able to, we don't know what the future holds and in evolution if you don't use it you lose it.

Re:The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of dig... by rtev on Monday September 12, 2022 @07:19PM (#32818640)
(citation needed)