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Re:Bikes, not self driving cars, are the technological gatew... by ackfoobar on Monday September 12, 2022 @03:37PM (#32815680)
> removing traffic lights would drive cars' average speed up

My gut feeling is that the "coordination cost" of big heavy cars needs to be paid one way or another.

You can reduce the coordination needed, sure, but the car-centric design of North America cities requires a lot of it.

> many bikers aren't actually stopping at traffic lights

I jump the light as much as I jaywalk - only when I have looked both ways and am sure of the safety.

Re:Bikes, not self driving cars, are the technological gatew... by peoplefromibiza on Monday September 12, 2022 @03:48PM (#32815867)
It probably come out wrong.

what I meant whit this

> removing traffic lights would drive cars' average speed up

is that knowing that cars are slow because there are a lot of traffic lights to stop at, it's not very helpful.

The only thing that we can logically conclude with that information is that traffic lights take down average speed.

On the other hand, being bikes' top speeds much lower than cars and being subject at the same traffic lights, the only thing that we can conclude is that they don't stop at traffic lights as much or they pass cars stuck in traffic, even if it's probably forbidden.

Which is okay, everybody does that, but, again, not very helpful.

It only says that bikes don't respect every traffic laws in the book.

Not a big deal, but we can't use that information to optimize traffic.

Re:Bikes, not self driving cars, are the technological gatew... by Kim_Bruning on Monday September 12, 2022 @08:57PM (#32819455)
The video is actually comparing cars on a main road in London (Ontario) with bicycles in Amsterdam (North Holland). NJB is humorously pointing out that the traffic design in London is so inefficient, that Amsterdam bikers actually have comparable performance to London cars (qua average speed).