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Re:Bikes, not self driving cars, are the technological gatew... by ryukafalz on Monday September 12, 2022 @01:42PM (#32813953)
> Make the city better for bike doesn’t mean making it hell for cars.

It doesn’t, but it does mean that you can’t dedicate 100% of street space and 75% of space for businesses to cars. And some drivers seem to interpret losing any sliver of their dominance over the streets as “hell for cars,” making this a tough battle.

Re:Bikes, not self driving cars, are the technological gatew... by Kim_Bruning on Monday September 12, 2022 @02:09PM (#32814411)
The opposite is true of course.

Bike lanes and pedestrian sidewalks can transport more people per minute than the car lane(s).

So if/when you do need to use a car, you'll actually find less people in your way.

Re:Bikes, not self driving cars, are the technological gatew... by ryukafalz on Monday September 12, 2022 @02:11PM (#32814422)
Yep. If everyone’s only reasonable option for getting around is to drive, then everyone will drive, and there will be a lot of cars on the road.
Re:Bikes, not self driving cars, are the technological gatew... by peoplefromibiza on Monday September 12, 2022 @03:09PM (#32815266)
> making this a tough battle.

well, they have some strong arguments.

In my Country cars are worth 77 billion euros in taxes every year.

If my country was a free market utopia like US, people would be screaming that they paid for those roads and it's their right to use them exclusively.

Bikes aren't worth that much, unfortunately.

Re:Bikes, not self driving cars, are the technological gatew... by uavals on Monday September 12, 2022 @04:13PM (#32816246)
Its not so simple as “I paid I, so I do what I want”.

Are roads funded exclusively from tax collected from car taxes? Aren’t bicycle and public transport users also funding roads also? Even if indirectly, by going to a shop that use those roads for supplies.

As far as I heard, roads cost a LOT to maintain (and more to build). 77 billion might be a small bucket in the ocean depending on the country.

This is public space, your freedom to drive a car impacts my commute time by bus.

Re:Bikes, not self driving cars, are the technological gatew... by tremon on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @06:26AM (#32822493)
Cars also cause a lot more road wear than bikes do, and they require a lot more road surface area than bikes. It makes perfect sense that car users pay for the majority of road maintenance.