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Re:Apple’s next big thing: A business model change by onlyrealcuzzo on Monday September 12, 2022 @11:45AM (#32812029)
> And frankly, given how shit most cell carriers are, I can't wait for Apple to come along and give the incumbents a run for their money.

Why would the most profitable company in the world want to get into one of the worst businesses in the world?

It's absurdly capital intensive.

Sure, Apple has an abundance of capital, but their shareholders are unlikely to approve this over ever more share buybacks...

Re:Apple’s next big thing: A business model change by traceroute66 on Monday September 12, 2022 @11:51AM (#32812132)
> one of the worst businesses in the world

But is mobile telecoms really one of the worst businesses in the world ?

I would argue that its one of the worst executed businesses in the world, but not the worst business.

Travel and hospitality would likely be fairer examples of "worst businesses", perhaps especially the airline business.

Re:Apple’s next big thing: A business model change by Spooky23 on Monday September 12, 2022 @12:02PM (#32812331)
People say this because accountants don’t like capital spending.

Carriers have 50-60% gross margins. They are critical enough to get special tax treatments to deal with the capital expenses. If the goal is to make money, what would be the “best” business? Drug cartel?

Re:Apple’s next big thing: A business model change by traceroute66 on Monday September 12, 2022 @12:16PM (#32812538)
> Carriers have 50-60% gross margins

Indeed. Many people don't realise how amazingly robust margins have remained.

A lot of it is because its such a closed shop which is why they can get away with many things.

Re:Apple’s next big thing: A business model change by specialist on Monday September 12, 2022 @12:40PM (#32812878)
Having done some contracting work for telecoms (seen how some of the sausage is made)...

My hunch is they print pallets of cash, then use some large fraction for bonfires.

Re:Apple’s next big thing: A business model change by onlyrealcuzzo on Monday September 12, 2022 @12:43PM (#32812922)
Who cares about gross margin? EBITDA, Free Cash-flow, and Net Margin are what people care about - especially for a utility...

What are good businesses?

Apple... Saudi Aramco... Google... AWS...

Re:Apple’s next big thing: A business model change by anotherOneSound on Monday September 12, 2022 @02:30PM (#32814708)
nobody actually cares about margin. you can be entirely unprofitable so long as you show growth quarter after quarter. amazons margins are razor thin if not negative. tesla wasn’t profitable at all until EV legislation, and still struggles to be so
Re:Apple’s next big thing: A business model change by onlyrealcuzzo on Monday September 12, 2022 @03:31PM (#32815591)
Apple's cell service network is pretty much tapped out at the total active iPhone MAUs...

Sure, Apple's theoretical cell subscribers could grow a lot - but no one is going to care...

It would be such a small part of the profits compared to hardware sales and other services - with a MASSIVE capital cost - probably much higher than phone R&D.

It would be less capital intensive and possibly more profitable for Apple to manufacture their own phones than start their own carrier business... And that's a horrible idea, too...

The idea of starting your own carrier business that isn't an MVNe is almost absurd.

Why doesn't Tesla build their own roads while we're at it?

Re:Apple’s next big thing: A business model change by Spooky23 on Monday September 12, 2022 @05:42PM (#32817417)
They thought about it! Remember the boring company?
Re:Apple’s next big thing: A business model change by SkyMarshal on Monday September 12, 2022 @11:47AM (#32812067)
Loss leader, maybe. Traditionally not Apple’s style, but if they are indeed changing up their business model, then who knows.
Re:Apple’s next big thing: A business model change by twoodfin on Monday September 12, 2022 @01:13PM (#32813370)
So is semiconductor fabrication, and Apple has been ridiculously successful as a middle-man there in both directions: Customers get the most advanced chips available at consumer prices. TSMC gets whatever capital they need, either advanced or in guaranteed order contracts.