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Re:Atkinson Hyperlegible Font by idiotsecant on Sunday September 11, 2022 @06:03PM (#32803718)
The social contract is currently approximately 'when I interact with human wait staff I am expected to add some cash to what the bill says on it' This is evident from, for example, the drive-thru example. There is no waiter / waitress, you just get your stuff and keep rolling. A tip jar is sometimes available but is rarely expected. If I never interact with a human and the restaurant expects a tip I think they should tweak their presentation to more closely adhere to that social contract.

In actual fact I wish we could stop dancing around the fluffy idea of when to tip and when not to tip and just expect restaurant owners to pay their staff and include that in the price charged for the goods. It's super annoying having to think about this stuff all the time.

Re:Atkinson Hyperlegible Font by verall on Sunday September 11, 2022 @06:40PM (#32803959)
Except that in most areas, tips are legally required to go end workers (not management or ownership) and in jobs where tips are allowed, end workers make more than in service jobs where tips are not allowed on average. We're talking about America, I don't know why you would expect restaurant owners to pay workers a dime over the market clearing price. The chances service employees get employer provided health insurance is very low.

I don't know your financial situation and noone is forcing you to tip. But if you make, say, more than 3 times what the people servicing you make, and you choose not to tip, I think that's quite selfish.

Re:Atkinson Hyperlegible Font by idiotsecant on Sunday September 11, 2022 @07:28PM (#32804236)
...Wages are also legally required to go to end workers.

I'm suggesting employers pay their employees. This isn't a radical concept and works just fine everywhere else. They already do this everywhere other than restaurants. If they aren't paying employees enough, that's a problem. You don't solve that problem by adding an optional tax on customers that is kinda-sorta-not totally required. All that does is ensure that in a certain percentage of cases employees get paid zero percent of the invisible tax. I'm just saying make the tax visible and required and stop this weird dance we do in america.

Re:Atkinson Hyperlegible Font by couchand on Sunday September 11, 2022 @08:23PM (#32804527)
The comment you're replying to describes how they wish the world would be, after recognizing the reality of the world as it is.

Tipping should be illegal. Tipping is necessary currently most places. Both can be true.