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Re:Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida by nopzor on Sunday September 11, 2022 @01:48PM (#32801665)
also worth mentioning - the vision jet is afaik the only single jet passenger jet that is fully certified.
Re:Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida by stevehawk on Sunday September 11, 2022 @02:04PM (#32801800)
I think you meant to say "single pilot passenger jet" that is fully certified, and if so, that statement is not correct. The Phenom, Citation, and several others are.
Re:Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida by throwaway894345 on Sunday September 11, 2022 @02:18PM (#32801934)
For a layman, what does certification mean? Certified for what?
Re:Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida by numpad0 on Sunday September 11, 2022 @03:25PM (#32802473)
I suppose GP meant to say “single engine non-turboprop turbofan/turbojet private jet that are FAA certified to operate in the US with appropriate civilian licenses”.

And while there are countless single engine jet planes and many small business jets without lavatory, there indeed aren’t many (“jet” engine && single engine && business jet) designs, let alone civilian type certified models.

Re:Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida by captainoats on Sunday September 11, 2022 @04:54PM (#32803180)
Certification is the process of getting an aircraft design/model approved by the FAA for sale/use. There are 3 phases for GA commercially available aircraft, type certification (design approved), production certification (manufacturing approved), and airworthiness certification (plane tested, and ready for sale to the public)

Usually when someone says a plane has received its certification they mean it’s ‘airworthiness certification’, so the final approval by the FAA.

Re:Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida by hef19898 on Sunday September 11, 2022 @05:57PM (#32803672)
Each commercially ised or sold aircraft has to come from a certified Desogn Organisation, has to be built by a certified Production Organisation (in most cases the same company, aerospace legallish Airbus and Boeing have a DO and a PO which arw separate entities as far as authorities are converned), needs an Type Certificate (achieved after successful flight testing and to be redone if there are configuration and design changes) and has to be maintained by a certified maintenance organisation and operated by a certified operator (continued airworthymess is a operator thing, just don't ask me any details on that, I work on the PO and touched some maintenance stuff in my life so far).

Usually, EASA and FAA cross certify, making it easier to get one if you have the other already. Fascinating stuff, aerospace certification.

Re:Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida by landemva on Sunday September 11, 2022 @07:48PM (#32804360)
Boeing skipped the step "to be redone if there are configuration and design changes" for the 737MAX, and smoothed over the differences with software. FAA was supportive of that rule-bending, and other countries followed along.
Re:Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida by hef19898 on Monday September 12, 2022 @02:29AM (#32806726)
Yes and no. They din't skip it, the FAA acceptrd and certified the new design based data Boeing provided. Boeing should have, in my opinion, completely recertified the MAX instead of treating it as just a new 737 variant.
Re:Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida by atdrummond on Sunday September 11, 2022 @02:36PM (#32802097)
Single engine is more likely what the poster meant than single pilot, no?
Re:Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida by nopzor on Sunday September 11, 2022 @07:09PM (#32804138)
that’s what i meant.

what makes this plane unique is its single jet engine. this also makes running costs lower.

Re:Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida by stevehawk on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @10:02AM (#32824410)
Ah, ok. There is another one coming, which will be neat. Right now it's an EAB but they're working towards type certification. https://www.stratosaircraft.com/716-aircraft