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Re:On my resignation as regulator of the Dutch intelligence ... by Silverback_VII on Saturday September 10, 2022 @07:43AM (#32789756)
>It always was that way.

I don’t think so since the technological structure to support it was not always present.

Western societies have started to copy China because everthing else puts them at a competitive disadvantage.

there is a very helpful theoretical framework by Theodore Kaczynski, that of self-propagating systems, to better understand the evolution of societies:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-why-th...

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Re:On my resignation as regulator of the Dutch intelligence ... by actionfromafar on Saturday September 10, 2022 @10:18AM (#32790870)
But does it though?

China State is increasingly powerful, but it also looks increasingly brittle and more likely to shatter under stress.

“The West” may have a less spectacular failure mode.

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Re:On my resignation as regulator of the Dutch intelligence ... by brabel on Saturday September 10, 2022 @11:31AM (#32791521)
> but it also looks increasingly brittle and more likely to shatter under stress.

What are the signs that make you think that?

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Re:On my resignation as regulator of the Dutch intelligence ... by actionfromafar on Saturday September 10, 2022 @06:39PM (#32795134)
The unhealthy posturing near Taiwan, the repression of minorities and the "social contract" between citizens (you get materially better lives) and ruler (no questioning of the ruler)... When things are built like that and crack, they crack deep.
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Re:On my resignation as regulator of the Dutch intelligence ... by brabel on Sunday September 11, 2022 @05:46AM (#32798268)
All these things have been the same for several decades. They are not new signs of anything.
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Re:On my resignation as regulator of the Dutch intelligence ... by actionfromafar on Sunday September 11, 2022 @07:10PM (#32804141)
They are the same, but the material wealth is not increasing anymore. What happens then? Taiwan conflict is edging from posturing to cold, hard steel.
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