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Re:Oberlin College to pay $36M to bakery owners who were fal... by rayiner on Saturday September 10, 2022 @12:00AM (#32787685)
It’s also worth pointing out that the victims here aren’t the bakery owners. It’s also minority college students who are persuaded to believe they live in a more racist society than they do. After all, if even the local bakery in a famously liberal college town is racist, then the rest of the country must be much worse right? This perception, in turn, negatively affects their mental health, jobs, and interracial friendships.
Re:Oberlin College to pay $36M to bakery owners who were fal... by onos on Saturday September 10, 2022 @12:24AM (#32787782)
It seems many of the policies advocated for by “the woke” are motivated by such simplistic logic that they ultimately have the opposite effect of their intentions. We must balance grace with truth.

Of course in this case oberlin leadership just acted very poorly and there is no excuse.

Re:Oberlin College to pay $36M to bakery owners who were fal... by rayiner on Saturday September 10, 2022 @12:57AM (#32787908)
The "grace" framing makes it sound like it's about being fair to white people. I have some sympathy for people who are falsely accused, but honestly shit happens.

My point is different: that exaggerating racism harms non-white people. I know other Asians who say stuff like "oh, I wouldn't want to go to the south because people are racist." And they're missing out on good food, warm weather, and friendly people. Trump won my precinct (which weirdly encompasses just my subdivision) 58-34 in 2016 when I moved there. It's a lovely place to live with lots of kids and friendly neighbors. A minority who is told by authority figures that the local bakery in Oberlin Ohio is a hotbed of racism might be too scared to come where I live. And that's not good for anybody.

Re:Oberlin College to pay $36M to bakery owners who were fal... by greenyoda on Saturday September 10, 2022 @01:16AM (#32788003)
> I know other Asians who say stuff like "oh, I wouldn't want to go to the south because people are racist."

Interestingly, it was southern states that elected the first two governors of Indian descent: Bobby Jindal in Louisiana (2008-2016)[1] and Nikki Haley in South Carolina (2011-2017)[2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Haley

Re:Oberlin College to pay $36M to bakery owners who were fal... by rayiner on Saturday September 10, 2022 @01:49AM (#32788161)
An Indian American has a better shot running for governor in a red southern state than in Maryland or New York. In blue states, race quite explicitly matters a lot in politics. But Indians are at a disadvantage because they Indian voter community is small compared to Black or Hispanic people.
Re:Oberlin College to pay $36M to bakery owners who were fal... by tptacek on Saturday September 10, 2022 @05:06PM (#32794583)
Did you look at actual data about that, or does it just sound right? Wikipedia's lists of Indian-American politicians doesn't appear to bear this out.
Re:Oberlin College to pay $36M to bakery owners who were fal... by rayiner on Saturday September 10, 2022 @11:21PM (#32796552)
Are you accounting for the fact that Asians overwhelmingly live in blue states? 40% of Indians live in just California, New York, and New Jersey. The latter two states have no federal or statewide south Asian politicians. California has had four, but none in statewide office. (Not counting Harris, who identifies as politically Black.)

Red state desis represent a small share of the overall south Asian immigrant population—they mostly come from an earlier wave of migration that has since been vastly outnumbered by post-H1B immigrants to coastal hubs—but have seen outsized success in appointed and elected positions.

Re:Oberlin College to pay $36M to bakery owners who were fal... by tptacek on Sunday September 11, 2022 @12:05AM (#32796727)
I didn't account for anything; I just read what you wrote, said to myself "hm", and went to see if there was data. I'm just asking if you have data. I'm not dunking on you, just trying to calibrate where your comment lies on the spectrum of message board truth.
Re:Oberlin College to pay $36M to bakery owners who were fal... by rayiner on Sunday September 11, 2022 @08:48AM (#32799197)
Indian Americans are a small minority, and Indian American politicians are an even smaller one. I don’t think there is anything but anecdote from which to draw impressions. I think that’s pretty obvious from the nature of the subject without needing a bunch of throat clearing in the comment.
Re:Oberlin College to pay $36M to bakery owners who were fal... by fennecfoxy on Monday September 12, 2022 @06:38AM (#32808191)
"that exaggerating racism harms non-white people"

Of course it does, but you phrased it in a way that implies that the racist aggressors are always white.

Exaggerating racism & racism itself hurts _everyone_. There are people that are racist to white people, there are non-white people that are racist other non-white people.

It's racism itself, in a general sense that we're fighting. I think especially in a non-white context, as it's so ignored - I've had non-white friends be incredibly racist to other cultures and it's oddly just a weirdly accepted thing. Like before recent events in Hong Kong, a friend of mine from there talking about "mainlanders" and how trashy/uncultured/animals they are.

Re:Oberlin College to pay $36M to bakery owners who were fal... by Der_Einzige on Saturday September 10, 2022 @05:39AM (#32789160)
Idk man, if you actually can write decently well, it's not that hard to get a professorship or think tank role in one of these "grievance studies" majors. That's pretty good for your career. Hell, they may end up as an ethics in AI professional at the FAANG making 300K a year!

It turns out that in a world that rewards virtue signaling financially, you can literally major in it!