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Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by ninth_ant on Thursday September 08, 2022 @08:45PM (#32774003)
You may underestimate how truly horrific some of the online communications are in any non-trivial service. Especially when kids are involved.

Having been exposed to some of the stuff going on at other companies communication systems, I have total sympathy for mojang wanting some people off of all their platforms, forever.

Most any system is built like this from the ground up, it’s rather surprising it took them this long.

Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by Georgelemental on Thursday September 08, 2022 @08:50PM (#32774018)
Is it "their" platform if the server is hosted by people who are not them on hardware that is not theirs? They are just selling a license to use their executables, no? Or should be (I don't play Minecraft)
Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by lolinder on Thursday September 08, 2022 @09:22PM (#32774191)
In the event of abuse, parents won't draw that distinction and neither would a Twitter mob. Microsoft needs to be able to point to something concrete they're doing to keep kids safe or they're risking a scandal.
Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by tarakat on Thursday September 08, 2022 @09:51PM (#32774382)
And who has been the greatest cheerleader of this totalitarian corporate control, where nothing happens on a platform without the blessing of its corporate master? MS have only themselves to blame, for they did everything in their power to erase that distinction.

Maybe in addition to educating users on inclusive language in MS Word [1], they could educate users about the very basics of how computers work. But that would go against MS's interests.

[1] https://www.windowscentral.com/new-microsoft-word-feature-wi...

Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by Dylan16807 on Friday September 09, 2022 @12:05AM (#32775170)
For servers that kids are supposed to be on, sure. Not all servers.
Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by watwut on Friday September 09, 2022 @02:48AM (#32776088)
Doxxing and raids on individuals, targeted sexual harassments, there are all kinds of online actions we keep away from adult oriented internet services too.
Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by Dylan16807 on Friday September 09, 2022 @02:37PM (#32783208)
Maybe for very extreme things, but that's a very different setup from globally moderating profanity, nudity, alcohol, etc.
Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by oynqr on Friday September 09, 2022 @03:40AM (#32776458)
Account bans are not sufficient to prevent that. Never have been.
Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by TobyTheDog123 on Thursday September 08, 2022 @09:42PM (#32774326)
A Twitter mob should not have that kind of power and if parents don't understand how Minecraft, the most popular game of the last decade+, works by now, they never will. It's appeasing a crowd that cannot and should not be appeased.
Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS on Thursday September 08, 2022 @10:25PM (#32774588)
Twitter mobs have gotten people fired, ostracized from society and the cops called on them. Twitter mobs are extremely powerful, but many don't see that because they agree with the mob.

But the mob comes for everyone.

Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by colinmhayes on Friday September 09, 2022 @11:08AM (#32780146)
Your opinion on what power twitter mobs should have is pretty irrelevant. The reality is that they do have power, and game developers have to deal with that reality.
Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by TobyTheDog123 on Friday September 09, 2022 @03:47PM (#32784006)
You seem to be saying that game developers have to keep feeding the beast, so to speak.

Game developers don't have to do anything.

They choose to, and the Twitter mob grows more powerful as a result.

It's my opinion that they should stop doing that, because, as they say, the mob comes for all.

Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by NoToP on Thursday September 08, 2022 @09:47PM (#32774357)
Yes but these people vote and it counts the same as yours.
Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by philistine on Thursday September 08, 2022 @09:49PM (#32774376)
You are putting a moral limit on what Microsoft should be able to do with Minecraft, not a technical one. Who's to say your morals are better ?
Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by TobyTheDog123 on Friday September 09, 2022 @03:56PM (#32784108)
>Who's to say your morals are better?

The vast majority of dedicated players, common sense, and history.

Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by ryeights on Thursday September 08, 2022 @09:06PM (#32774089)
>They are just selling a license to use their executables, no?

Yes.

Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by dodobirdlord on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:09PM (#32774847)
If it’s entirely self-hosted servers on the user’s own hardware, then how could Microsoft ban them? What would that even mean? Microsoft’s systems must somehow be involved for a ban to have any meaning.
Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by Dylan16807 on Friday September 09, 2022 @12:06AM (#32775173)
They do authentication. And if you're banned they will refuse to give you your token.
Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by api on Thursday September 08, 2022 @09:01PM (#32774061)
Software that you run that is under your control? How quaint.
Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by klabb3 on Friday September 09, 2022 @07:04AM (#32777749)
> Having been exposed to some of the stuff going on at other companies communication systems, I have total sympathy for mojang wanting some people off of all their platforms, forever.

Be my damn guest, as long as it's operated by Microsoft (their public vetted list of servers, realms and so on). However, Minecraft has a jar server that you can download and run yourself, which Microsoft has no business interfering with. If I want to i can setup a "Minecraft against humanity" server and invite my friends, nobody should give two shits. Just monitoring speech at all on a private server makes no sense, and should 100% be opt in.

More generally, the solution to moderation is often private or semi-private groups. There's no one size fits all moderation rules, so as far as possible let people moderate their own spaces. Otherwise you're just renting you speech permissions from a corporation.

Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by thrown_22 on Thursday September 08, 2022 @10:46PM (#32774717)
> You may underestimate how truly horrific some of the online communications are in any non-trivial service. Especially when kids are involved.

Then parents should take care of their kids.

This is like dropping them off on a random street corner and then complaining someone is fucking in an adjacent alley. The world isn't kid safe and it shouldn't be.

Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by dodobirdlord on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:10PM (#32774856)
Yes, but Minecraft isn’t real life, it’s a fake world made for kids.
Re:It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play ar... by thrown_22 on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:30PM (#32774978)
It's a fake world made for everyone. Or Microsoft should add a "0-12 only" tag to the game.