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Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by dekhn on Thursday September 08, 2022 @08:13PM (#32773775)
I would like to remind all the readers of this post that the united states government used to try to use LSD as a mind control drug. They (IIRC it was the CIA) got into all sorts of shenanigans, dosing people (including CIA officers) without their consent. Some people died and other people's lives were affected very negatively. This was back in the 1950s- a time at which American had little or no conception of the concept of a "psychedelic" at all.

Also, the Grateful Dead- whose parking lots were famous as large scale drug distribution sites- went from being counterculture to establishment in some ~25-30 years (the "house band" of the Clinton administration).

We apparently live don't live in the strangest timeline, but it's definitely the trippiest one.

Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by ethanbond on Thursday September 08, 2022 @10:39PM (#32774673)
FWIW there were deaths caused by the MKULTRA program[1], but the implication that LSD caused the deaths is probably not correct.

This is sort of just a historical dump since it’s a fascinating story: The notable death people remember is the Army officer who “jumped” out of his hotel window in NYC. Years later the Watergate investigation revealed the MKULTRA program and connected it to the Army officer’s death. CIA sort of implied “yeah we were doing stuff with LSD mind control and he went crazy,” but some (like the officer’s son) believe that is also a cover story. AFAIK the son still believes his father was going to blow the whistle on some sort of chem or bio weapon development (the father was a scientist at Fort Detrick, the US military’s bioweapon development center at the time) and he was assassinated before going public.

Anyway, the son’s theory almost seems like the most believable part of the whole MKULTRA universe.

[1] Among MKULTRA’s damage is arguably the creation of the Unabomber. Ted was an unknowing test subject at Harvard where he was basically emotionally tortured by a CIA agent posing as a fellow student. He had his beliefs — which he was always strongly identified with — systematically dismantled in order to cause emotional distress.

Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by beaugunderson on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:44PM (#32775071)
For anyone who wants a good background "Poisoner in Chief" is a maddening and captivating read that describes much of the CIA's use of LSD: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43565322-poisoner-in-chi...
Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by mtlmtlmtlmtl on Friday September 09, 2022 @03:59AM (#32776583)
It's been suggested that the experiments were a part of MKULTRA, but it's not been proven AFAIK.

There was plenty of unethical psychological research going on at the time, so there's no need to assume the CIA was involved at all.

Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by ethanbond on Friday September 09, 2022 @07:18AM (#32777837)
Ah yes this looks more correct, I was mistaken. Apparently TedK was subjected to these experiments by a professor who also happened to have been employed by US intelligence but it’s unclear whether the experiment was part of MKULTRA itself. Thanks for the correction!
Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by dundarious on Friday September 09, 2022 @01:12AM (#32775552)
Errol Morris made a docu-drama series about those events. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormwood_(miniseries)
Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by abyssin on Friday September 09, 2022 @01:55AM (#32775771)
Errol is the father of Hamilton Morris, author of the Vice series Hamilton’s Pharmacopeia.
Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by nullcontext on Friday September 09, 2022 @10:24AM (#32779639)
Best TIL of the day, thanks for noting that!
Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by statuslover9000 on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:11PM (#32774860)
They also used massive doses of LSD combined with electroshocks and managed to entirely wipe some patients’ memories, this person describing their experience is pretty mind-blowing:

- relevant section ends at 1:01:15: https://youtu.be/4-DMH_myil8?t=1h20s

- continues for another crazy 20s: https://youtu.be/4-DMH_myil8?t=1h3m30s

Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by things on Friday September 09, 2022 @04:39AM (#32776865)
Ken Kesey of merry pranksters fame "discovered" LSD via being a volunteer in the CIA's MKUltra experiments. So, interestingly, the CIA's experiments were one of the major triggers for the whole 60s counterculture.
Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by Mo3 on Thursday September 08, 2022 @09:29PM (#32774242)
They used to try.. then they succeeded with some of their research, rolled it into the private sector, and closed the official record with the notion that it was a waste of time.
Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by edem on Saturday September 10, 2022 @02:47PM (#32793429)
Can you elaborate?
Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by Mo3 on Sunday September 11, 2022 @02:53PM (#32802237)
I'm not quite sure what you would like to know, but this is a regular process that has been going on for a long time.
Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by herbst on Friday September 09, 2022 @02:29AM (#32775963)
Didn't they also make a whole town on France tripping without consent?
Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by nobody9999 on Friday September 09, 2022 @03:23AM (#32776327)
>Didn't they also make a whole town on France tripping without consent?

Are you sure that wasn't just ergot poisoning[0]?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergot#Effects_on_humans,_other...

Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by herbst on Friday September 09, 2022 @06:56AM (#32777715)
I am talking about this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-10996838

The way it happened doesn't really sound like classical ergot poisoning. But who knows (but them)

Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by nobody9999 on Friday September 09, 2022 @02:44PM (#32783292)
Sure. It's possible, but as the article you linked noted:

   But American academic Professor Steven Kaplan, who published 
   a book in 2008 on the Pont-Saint-Esprit incident, insists 
   that neither ergot nor LSD could have been responsible.

   Ergot contamination would not, he says, have affected only 
   one sack of grain in one bakery, as was claimed here. The 
   outbreak would have been far more widespread.

   He rules out LSD on the grounds that the symptoms people 
   suffered, though similar, do not quite fit the drug.
While the "symptoms" listed is just a report from a single person nearly 60 years later are scary, as someone who took LSD dozens of times I have to agree with Professor Kaplan that the effects mentioned don't comport with my experience.

That doesn't mean it didn't happen (or that the CIA wouldn't have done such a thing -- they've done much worse), but the "evidence" is pretty thin IMHO.

Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by iancmceachern on Thursday September 08, 2022 @08:40PM (#32773965)
What a long strange trip it's been!