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Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by dekhn on Thursday September 08, 2022 @02:27PM (#32769830)
From my read of the scientific literature, most situations like the ones you describe are at least partially caused by underlying disorders that pre-existed (and manifested). And the second one you describe is a pretty common story to be told (same rumor at my college).
Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by MisterTea on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:18PM (#32770634)
> From my read of the scientific literature, most situations like the ones you describe are at least partially caused by underlying disorders that pre-existed (and manifested).

Do you have a qualifying medical certificate and professionally diagnosed my friend? The answer is no. So don't try to down play a serious incident you have ZERO knowledge of.

> And the second one you describe is a pretty common story to be told (same rumor at my college).

When my teacher told us the story she was quite emotional and serious. It could be a well intentioned lie to discourage "drug use" but again, you have no way of knowing the truth so knock it off.

Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by dekhn on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:41PM (#32770967)
Note that my text was written to not specifically say that you lied, or misinterpreted the situation. my point was "the average observation is not entirely consistent with your anecdote", and "if a person does a crazy thing on drugs, it may not have been the drugs that made them crazy"

(as for credentials- no, no actual medical credentials, but I do have a phd in biophysics [emphasis on drug discovery], and have worked in the field of medical biology for decades). More importantly, my goal is here to avoid the "reefer madness" effect by countering establishment propaganda and college rumors with my read of the scientific literature, and also to raise awareness that mental illness is common and that psychedelic drugs can be a precipitating condition that turns a maintained disease into an emergency.

Trip responsibly,

Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by pessimizer on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:27PM (#32770771)
> Do you have a qualifying medical certificate and professionally diagnosed my friend?

It's weird that you yourself don't require these kinds of qualifications to participate in this discussion. I guess you don't need them in order to disqualify people from disagreeing with you.

Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by josephcsible on Thursday September 08, 2022 @05:08PM (#32772101)
How are these two scenarios different in practice?

1. Someone has had a latent mental disorder since birth, which then manifested itself permanently upon taking psychedelics, and would have never manifested itself without them

2. Someone who originally had no mental disorders developed a permanent one from taking psychedelics

Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by dekhn on Thursday September 08, 2022 @05:36PM (#32772407)
Just replace "psychedelics" with "*" because the general question is interesting, not psychedelics. People have just sort of gone along with the idea that psychedelics precipitate mental illness more than other drugs, or other life activities. There isn't really strong data for that with LSD.
Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by _vdpp on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:22PM (#32770690)
Is that any less reason to think this isn’t a good idea? How many latent, otherwise-benign disorders might become manifest if people experiment with these drugs?
Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by pessimizer on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:28PM (#32770791)
Or with alcohol, or with religion, or with watching movies about time travel.
Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by _vdpp on Thursday September 08, 2022 @04:00PM (#32771227)
Is there a Biff Tannen copycat crime spree I wasn’t aware of?
Re:San Francisco decriminalizes psychedelics by pessimizer on Thursday September 08, 2022 @08:24PM (#32773841)
China has been concerned that time-travel movies cause people to lose their grip on reality.