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Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by atyppo on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:29PM (#32756370)
This idea is totally from left field, but perhaps Apple hopes to show how successful this program is with search and rescue operations to receive government subsidy? I can’t imagine a company as image-conscious as Apple being okay with the optics of a headline describing a hiker’s death after not paying for Emergency SOS.
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by nicoburns on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:32PM (#32756405)
I'm betting:

1. This feature is relatively expensive for Apple. Satellite communication isn't free, and Apple don't have their own infrastructure for this.

2. They've signed a 2 year contract with whichever provider they're using.

3. They want to see if this feature is even popular before committing to supporting it for longer at all.

Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by ribosometronome on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:45PM (#32756575)
I imagine this has to be a loss leader/marketing feature, where the hope is very few will use it but those who do will result in "iPhone saves 12 year old Boy Scout lost in the woods!"
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by alwillis on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:25PM (#32758636)
Apple doesn’t really do loss leaders.
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by ktta on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @08:06PM (#32759122)
Loss leader isn't the proper term in this case. Think of this akin to the health-scare clips they've been showing in the past few years when talking about the Apple Watch (like today).

The number of Afib/high heart rate detections are miniscule, but serves as great marketing. Good enough for me to order one today.

Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by alwillis on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @08:56PM (#32759621)
According to the CDC, 805,000 people have heart attacks in the US [1].

I suspect it’ll be commonplace for many/most people will have some kind of health monitoring device.

[1]: https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by Turing_Machine on Thursday September 08, 2022 @10:54AM (#32766508)
The Apple Watch doesn't currently check for heart attacks, though, and makes a point of telling you that every time you use any of the heart-related functions.

It can detect atrial fibrillation, but that's a different thing from a regular heart attack.

Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by megablast on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @09:25PM (#32759826)
Of course they do. There are lot so free apple tv and apple music deals. Included with the iphone.
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by ThePowerOfFuet on Thursday September 08, 2022 @06:22AM (#32763587)
> Apple doesn’t really do loss leaders.

Their work on accessibility disproves your assertion.

Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by alwillis on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:28PM (#32758677)
Money isn’t the issue.

But they also don’t want to commit to a price until they have a couple years of experience under their belts.

Whatever the terms of the deal is, hitting certain benchmarks is part of it.

Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by alwillis on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:22PM (#32758611)
I suspect two years from now, the SOS feature will either be free or rolled into a service bundle like Apple One or News+.

By then, there could other satellite-based services that would be subscription-based.

Apple certainly doesn’t need a subsidy; if anything, they may end up subsidizing future satellite launches with the $200 billion—-give or take—-they’re sitting on.

Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by atyppo on Thursday September 08, 2022 @06:26PM (#32772850)
Sure but so do plenty of other companies/industries that happily take subsidies
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by guyzero on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:40PM (#32756501)
Note that in the US SAR services are not always free and if you have an inReach or similar device you probably also need supplementary SAR insurance. It's cheap, but you still need it.
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by NewMountain on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:57PM (#32756746)
Do you have such insurance? Any company you've had good experiences with? I had a close call or two hiking in the Cascades and wasn't aware this was a thing so I'd appreciate any tips.
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by tjohns on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:54PM (#32758989)
InReach offers it as a optional paid add-on ($30) when you sign up for an account.

While not always true internationally, at least in the US most jurisdictions won't charge for rescue as long unless you weren't careless and reckless. Even where state law allows for recovering rescue costs, it's a high bar before they'll actually send out a bill... they normally don't want to discourage people from calling from help until it's too late, if it's truly needed. (Keep in mind that rescue in the wilderness can easily take 12-48 hours.)

That said, laws allowing the state to recoup rescue costs are becoming more common as satellite messengers have become more prevalent, leading to more non-emergency nuisance calls.

See: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/06/us/rescue-hikers-cost.htm...

Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by qbasic_forever on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @08:29PM (#32759364)
The American Alpine club gives members some insurance for rescues: https://americanalpineclub.org/rescue

Cost of rescue really depends where you're at though. In a national park like Mt. Rainier you aren't actually charged even if they have to helicopter you off the top of the mountain--rescues are paid for by the cost of a climbing permit that everyone pays to go above 10k feet. In other places SAR teams operate like volunteer fire departments and get funding from the county. But yeah, in some places a helicopter rescue is going to cost you directly and it is not cheap--at Mt. Shasta the rangers were telling me it was about $14k per incident.

Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by timothyb89 on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @08:18PM (#32759258)
GEOS (a Garmin subsidiary) offers this for most devices on the Iridium network, including Zoleo and Garmin's own inReach communicators: https://my-geos.com/products

I have a Zoleo device and pay for the $40/yr coverage. You just register your device's IMEI with them.

Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by protoc on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:13PM (#32757749)
Its state by state. SAR rescue is free in California as long as its not do to excessive negligence on the party. Prob cost $ in the muh freedom type of states :/