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Re:WikiHouse – Open source, modular, wood based, zero carbon... by throw0101c on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @11:46AM (#32752183)
> OSB should not be considered code-compliant material, full-stop.

OSB is a fine air barrier, and most water vapour volume happens through air leaks. Vapour diffusion tends to be a smaller percentage:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXXgjvOJcYI

The main place that vapour concentration really becomes a problem is at the highest point of the house (e.g., ridge):

* https://www.buildingscience.com/documents/building-science-i...

The main point is to not have your condensing surface on the inside of your structure:

* https://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-001-t...

Which is why so many jurisdictions are encouraging / mandating external insulation. When the sheathing is the coldest surface, of course there's going to be condensation, but if it's the same temperature as the inside air how would moisture accumulate.

> If structures don't breathe they rot.

If structures don't dry they rot. There are plenty of of <1.0 ACH@50 structures that do not "breathe" that have no moisture/rot issues because they take care of water mechanically, e.g., ERV/HRV and (whole house) dehumidifiers.

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIcrXut_EFA

Re:WikiHouse – Open source, modular, wood based, zero carbon... by forgetfreeman on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @12:32PM (#32752830)
OSB is absolutely a fine air barrier assuming <60% humidity at all times. That does not make it a sane choice for sheathing/flooring material given the likelihood of moisture ingress. Every form of seam sealant known to man bites it at some point due to thermal expansion cycles, uv damage, etc. and that's assuming perfect installation of all layers of the moisture control stack. It isn't even a good choice for cabinetry due to it's propensity to devolve into Nature Valley Granola when put in proximity to a sink, dishwasher, or refrigerator (if a cold water line is part of the install).

In theory vapor accumulation is only really problematic in the overhead plenum spaces. In actual practice (setting aside acute water ingress) 100% of the time moisture problems start in the crawl space and then spread to the plenum.

Yes absolutely it is possible to design complex interlocking systems that at least in theory both provide high efficiency sealed construction and control moisture. In practice the complexity of these systems is sufficient that even top-end contractors frequently run into issues that lead to full blown abatement projects. There is also the minor issue of what happens if all of these systems aren't subjected to aggressive inspection regimes and/or a structure goes a significant amount of time unoccupied. The one thing all of these super high-efficiency sealed systems have in common is they quite literally tear themselves apart if neglected or the power gets turned off for any meaningful amount of time.

The statement "If structures don't dry they rot" is absolutely true, but only in the context of traditional lumber products that are comparatively resistant to rot in the first place and are capable of weathering swell/shrink cycles without falling apart. Highly engineered products degrade aggressively just by getting damp in the first place as swelling wood fibers break down bonds with the adhesive that's holding the material together.

I absolutely stand by my original statement that OSB shouldn't be code-compliant and with the exception of shitty flat-pack furniture has no business anywhere in a home.

Re:WikiHouse – Open source, modular, wood based, zero carbon... by wpietri on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @01:49PM (#32753775)
I appreciate all of your comments here, but let me just pause for a moment to appreciate the perfection of the name "Nature Valley Granola" for that failure mode. That's spot on for texture and appearance. And given the crumbly, dry vagueness that is a Nature Valley Granola bar, possibly for taste as well.
Re:WikiHouse – Open source, modular, wood based, zero carbon... by throw0101c on Thursday September 08, 2022 @08:27AM (#32764509)
(I'm in Canada, which is generally a 'basement using' zone.)

> In theory vapor accumulation is only really problematic in the overhead plenum spaces. In actual practice (setting aside acute water ingress) 100% of the time moisture problems start in the crawl space and then spread to the plenum.

Which is a good argument for conditioned crawl spaces.

* https://www.buildingscience.com/documents/bareports/ba-0401-...

Re:WikiHouse – Open source, modular, wood based, zero carbon... by forgetfreeman on Thursday September 08, 2022 @09:35AM (#32765288)
No argument here. Sealed crawlspaces may be the best thing building science has brought to the industry in the last 30 years.
Re:WikiHouse – Open source, modular, wood based, zero carbon... by bombcar on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:59PM (#32758320)
The reason OSB wins so much is that the average house is built to last just about as long as OSB does in normal conditions (even with water damage).

Shit is wack yo. Perfectly usable houses are remodeled all the time.

I hate OSB so much. And it no longer is that much cheaper than plywood, which still can die in water but at least doesn't die immediately.

Re:WikiHouse – Open source, modular, wood based, zero carbon... by fhackenberger on Thursday September 08, 2022 @04:45AM (#32762984)
One aspect that's missing for me here is the toxicity of the glues used in OSB products. Compared to multi layer timer its massive amounts of glue being using in these OSB panels. Nothing you want in the room where you breathe at least 8 hours a day/night.
Re:WikiHouse – Open source, modular, wood based, zero carbon... by throw0101c on Thursday September 08, 2022 @08:33AM (#32764568)
Plywood also uses glue:

* https://www.greenhomeguide.com/askapro/question/i-m-concerne...

* https://greenhomeguide.com/askapro/question/we-have-osb-that...

Unless you're using planks for siding and your flooring, you're going to have to use some kind of glued product product. Further your OSB is generally behind your drywall (sheet rock, gypsum) which can act as an air barrier.

Ideally you should have an HRV/ERV that exchanges the air in your dwelling constantly.