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Re:Health insurers just published close to a trillion hospit... by refurb on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:51AM (#32748208)
Life expectancy is a terrible measure for quality of healthcare. It ignore so many other factors. The only way it could be a suitable measure if you assumed every human in every country was the same except for the healthcare they receive. It's pretty clear they aren't - lifestyle, smoking rates, alcohol and drug abuse, accidents, suicides, genetics.

You’re far better to look at things like “survival after cancer diagnosis” where the US has some of the world’s best outcomes.

https://www.healio.com/news/hematology-oncology/20180131/us-...

Re:Health insurers just published close to a trillion hospit... by sgerenser on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:27AM (#32749188)
Good article on the topic of assigning a cause-and-effect relationship between life expectancy and health care systems: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2017-03-21/does-t...
Re:Health insurers just published close to a trillion hospit... by specialist on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:48AM (#32749371)
I prefer the non-snark, non-partisan version of that narrative.

https://ourworldindata.org/us-life-expectancy-low

Re:Health insurers just published close to a trillion hospit... by specialist on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @05:55AM (#32748617)
> Life expectancy is a terrible measure for quality of healthcare. ...lifestyle, smoking rates, alcohol and drug abuse, accidents, suicides, genetics.

Only if we assume public health is unrelated to individual health.

Re:Health insurers just published close to a trillion hospit... by refurb on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:09AM (#32748715)
OK, so if we assume that, then is public health worse in Europe because smoking rates are higher than the US? How about higher alcohol consumption?

Using life expectancy to judge the quality of a healthcare system or quality of public health efforts is like judging car quality by how nice the body work is. It's a component, but a relatively minor one in overall quality.

Re:Health insurers just published close to a trillion hospit... by specialist on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:42AM (#32749309)
Why are you asking me when you could just google?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expe...

Western Europe does better, Eastern Europe does worse. Pretty much as one would expect.

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Your prior "5 year cancer survival rate" was pretty random. The cherry picking of one favorable stat while ignoring the mountain of counterfactuals.

I was confused.

Then I spotted this.

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/us-vs-europe-life-expectancy-...

Aha. Just another "libertarian" talking point. Good grief.

Re:Health insurers just published close to a trillion hospit... by refurb on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @08:07AM (#32749517)
You're arguing in circles and not making a lot of sense.

First I argued that life expectancy isn't a good measure because of lifestyle, then you say "public health should address those", then I argued Europe does worse than the US on several public health metrics like smoking rates and alcohol consumption, then you go back to life expectancy.

I have no idea the point your making because you're failing to actually provide counterfactuals.