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Re:Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes by fzliu on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:47AM (#32733779)
Seconded re: Neimann's analysis. Specifically, he stated in a post-game interview that Carlsen had played the same Nimzo-Indian g3 line in a prior tournament, even though that never happened.

For the sake of the sport, I hope Neimann didn't cheat, but I doubt we'll ever know for sure.

Re:Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes by randunel on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:17AM (#32733978)
Re:Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes by mda on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @07:57AM (#32735885)
Yeah, but Move 6 is different and it changes the whole dynamics of the game.

Prior to Move 6 this is a well known line with 700 hundred high level games, and Magnus (apparently) never played the line with 6.a3 before, so I find Hans's claim extremely dubious.

Still not an evidence that he cheated, but I agree that sum of signals e.g. prior cheating ban on chess.com, incoherent after game analysis without engine help and in general never being worse against 4 Super GMS and having a winning position against all of them does not paint a good picture. Something smells, but we will probably never know.

Edit: corrected move#

Re:Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes by fzliu on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:49AM (#32734197)
Good catch. I was searching for a game without Nf3, but this is effectively a transposition.

One minor point folks aren't mentioning that I think works in Neimann's favor - Carlsen is known for enjoying the Catalan, and the opening in the game was essentially a Nimzo/Catalan hybrid. This fact makes Neimann's supposed pre-game prep a bit more palatable. Everything else (postgame interview, past history, Twitter antics) seems to work against Neimann though.

My question is - if Neimann did cheat, how? Doesn't seem like something that can be done easily in an OTB tournament.

Re:Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes by eru on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @04:39AM (#32734512)
You could stick the computer in your shoe, like the submission suggests?

Or you could swallow a buzzer? The input could come from someone who watches the board from afar?

Re:Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes by whimsicalism on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:17PM (#32739244)
They metal detected & RF frequency detect before the round 4 match.
Re:Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes by FartyMcFarter on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @01:28PM (#32740262)
RF detection before a match seems useless, unless the device is in constant communication.

I don't know enough about those devices and metal detectors to be able to tell whether that's effective mitigation. Could one make a device small enough to be hard to detect?

Re:Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes by lavp on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @06:47AM (#32735308)
There are rumors that Carlsen's prep got leaked and that Niemann knew what was going to played the morning of.

Although this is pure speculation, it seems to be a more plausible and satisfactory explanation if Niemann did in fact cheat. It would also explain why Carlsen would withdraw from the tournament rather than continuing.

Re:Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes by mda on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @08:02AM (#32735933)
Did Magnus ever played 6.a3 line before in this well known Nimzo variant? The Game with So doesn't have it.